Argentina withdraws from 2016 pact with UK over the Falklands, wants to restart negotiations regarding ownership.

Chris Wilson said:
"Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security "

Does the fact that the Falkland Islands are off South America, and although British territories are not in Europe or North America affect Article 5's meaning?
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Perhaps financially you could say an attack on any UK territory is also an attack on the UK itself and thus falling inside Article 5.
 
Thekwango said:
I saw it on its ‘farewell’ tour a few years back. The sight of it banking, what seemed like just above and in front of us, was awesome. The sound though. Oh my the sound. You could ‘feel’ the roar all around you.
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it's a hell of a machine, having seen it in it's natural environment it's definately one of those machines a mere video doesn't do justice to.
 
Little known fact. My mothers side of the family were heavily involved in what was (when I knew about it as a kid) British Aerospace. My granddad was an engineer and worked on designs such as the gnat, hawk and mainly the harrier. The chief test pilot for the first harrier iteration (sir someone) spoke at his funeral describing the “banter” over radio on the first test flights. My aunt and uncle ran the tower at Dunsfold (when it was a British Aerospace site) and as a kid I got to sit on the roof of the tower to watch the annual airshow. You never forget a Vulcan spanking it at low level going seemingly vertical. Unforgettable.

To further honour his memory, he flew copilot in a Vickers Vimy back from Iraq sometime around WW2. It’s the Vimy currently at Brooklands. Took my grandma there (shes now 102) about 10 years ago and they gave her a VIP tour.

Oh, and “happiness is…..vectored thrust” as the old slogan goes.
 
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Roar87 said:
They already set a precedent when article 5 didn't apply in 1982 though
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The nation being attacked needs to invoke it though, so perhaps in 82 we just didn't invoke it because we didn't need to, much like now we probably don't need to as our Navy isn't weakened and it's all we need to defend the islands but if we didn't have a strong Navy, perhaps A5 would be invoked ?
 
Before the Falklands war the UK were trying to get rid of the Falklands and forming ever closer ties with Argentina to basically give them it. They shot themselves in the foot as they would have had them in a couple of decades.
 
adolf hamster said:
it's a hell of a machine, having seen it in it's natural environment it's definately one of those machines a mere video doesn't do justice to.
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Absolutely. It just seemed to be gliding despite the obvious roar of its engines. So hard to describe it unless having seen it in the flesh. What a machine.
 
Diddums said:
Do yourself a favour and watch this documentary, it details the operation to bomb the airstrips in Argentina and the challenges faced by the ops team. Honestly to this day one of the best documentaries I've ever watched:



@Housey watch it too, trust me it's worth it.
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Seen it many times and read the book about the raid.

Also got them to fly over my garden because I am @Housey


OK that last bit about the flyover, I've embellished it a bit. :D
 
Roar87 said:
They already set a precedent when article 5 didn't apply in 1982 though
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Perhaps we didn't need to back then as we also had assistance from the US.

I expect a statement from Biden shortly to leave the Argentines in no doubt who they're messing with.
 
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They can sod off unless they want their butt kicked again!! I did three tours of the Falklands and really enjoyed it despite my tours all being in their winter and I was stuck on mountain radar sites. Driving BV's around in the snow, up and down mountains is great fun, challenging at times but still great fun. The people are lovely and very welcoming and the wildlife is awesome.
 
Blueball said:
John Farley?

Happiness is Laarbruch in your rear view mirror!
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Wow thank you, googled and yes it was Sir John Farley thank you! I wish I could remember what his nickname was. I am certain my gran described him as an immature show off or the like. Was an honour to meet him. We still have the notebook with pencil drawings and calculations for the vectored thrust systems that my grandfather worked on.
 
Blueball said:
The fact that a Harrier doesn't have the range hugely diminishes your argument.
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Why would the Harriers have needed the range?
Just to add, they were already heading down with the Invincible and the Hermes and arguably would have produced better results than what was achieved from Black Buck.
 
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40+ years on, one of my few memories of the Falklands War that happened when I was a youngster, was the sinking of The Belgrano; our Harrier "jump jets" and their Mirage planes.

Wars are never great and we really could do without one now, to give this awful Tory government a tiny glimmer of holding on to power at the next GE.
 
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