Well yes they are, unless of course you are wanting to change the definition for political purposes. Which of course you do.
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Well yes they are, unless of course you are wanting to change the definition for political purposes. Which of course you do.
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Actually they are not, but I get the feeling your going to argue for the sake of arguing.
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Sad news. 
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I'm sorry, but I'm not here to solve your problem. It's funny you find it justifiable to solve one nation's problem by creating a misery for the other, which Israel's formation entalied in this unideal world you described. And saying "oh but this is what it is now, now what?" doesn't make Israel's crime any less significant. Israel is occupying a land that is not theirs, they have committed crimes against humanities and exercised systematic ethnic cleansing of anyone not Jewish. What you are confusing as terrorism is called resistance, a right granted by the UN to any nation under foreign occupation. Israel can't point fingers when it is it which started the terrorism with the massacres against civilians it did upon its establishment in the 1940s.
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It isn't my problem, I am neither Jewish nor Israeli. If you don't want a workable solution then more people will die and most of them will be Palestinians if history is any guide.
Personally I would call lobbing rockets into civilian areas more terrorism than resistance but it seems we all get to play fast and loose with definitions.
Glad he's dead tbh. I'll just leave it at that.
And whilst people 'have a go' at the Jews for moving into the area and attempting to kick the Palestinians out, they were given permission to go there by the UN and UK without clearance or acceptance from the Palestinian people.
So I do see both sides of the argument, but ultimately both sides have done hideous things to one another. I just feel sorry for the innocent people living and dying in the area.
And whilst people 'have a go' at the Jews for moving into the area and attempting to kick the Palestinians out, they were given permission to go there by the UN and UK without clearance or acceptance from the Palestinian people.
So I do see both sides of the argument, but ultimately both sides have done hideous things to one another. I just feel sorry for the innocent people living and dying in the area.
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Its not anti-Semitic to disagree with Israel's foreign policy. Really bugs the hell out of when people try that. Those who have truly suffered such things, yes such as the holocaust victims, must turn in their graves when people cheapen such events to point score on internet forums. Have some respect.
No side comes out of the Isreali / Palestinain conflict looking good, with innocents suffering on either side
No side comes out of the Isreali / Palestinain conflict looking good, with innocents suffering on either side
Then what are you here for? Unchallenged political pronouncements?
Hahahahahah, that was a good one.
+1 the guy was tyrant
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R.I.P.
Well he'll maybe be in hell then with his old adversary yasser arafat, the man that helped fund palestinian suicide bombers and helped fund the ira to bring bombs onto the streets of warrington, manchester, london etc to blow up innocent kids.
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Sad news.
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FGS, it merely said said 'Rest in Peace' in Hebrew. Anyway, since when has this been a rule? I've just checked the FAQ and the 'Additional Rules' sticky thread up top and there's no mention of any rule concerning foreign languages whatsoever!
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More like, spot the Jews....
I am neither Jewish or Muslim and I personally despise both Israel and Saudi Arabia...
Funny that recently they are nearly best buddies....
I`d ruin them both, world would be a better place without them.
To be honest, I always expected Israelis after the holocaust to be a peaceful nation such as Switzerland or something... You know just keeping to themselves and not bothering anyone around much or at least be the ones who preach peace... I read an article that israelis recently have started segregation on their buses, Palestinians on 1 side, jews on other, that really killed any hope I had for them.
I also always wondered, I admit that holocoust was an awful thing but why do people forget that Soviet Union (the Slav race) lost around 20 million population of which vast majority were civilians... The Soviet prisoners were treated no better than Jews...
Why are the Slavs not recognised as having genocide against them during ww2? Even though Hitler himself stated that the Slav race should be removed completely....
Why does Israel get to play the "holocaust" card, which gets them free subs while Russians just took it on a chin and try to get along as best as they can.
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His ability as a military commander and strategist is beyond question. He is dead and as FF says, he had family and I respect that but the treatment if Palestinians under his premiership is not something I remember with fondness. Their treatment and the repugnant hypocrisy of the US looking the other way while preaching the fight for freedom for all leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
I hope he has found peace although his legacy has ensured that the Palestinians have not.
I hope he has found peace although his legacy has ensured that the Palestinians have not.
This sort of goes counter to what he was working towards near the end of his career, he had already pulled out of Gaza and was looking at pulling out of the West Bank too. Sharon, for all his many flaws, was probably the best chance of an independent Palestine we have had in the area for quite a while.
Do not be under any misconception that the pullout from Gaza was for the benefit of anyone other than Isreal and Ariel Sharon's hatred of Palestinians. He was not only a good commander and canny strategist on the battlefield (a point not missed by the Isreal tribunal on Sabra etc) but also in the political arena...his visit to Temple Mount and his turn around on settlements was subtlety engineered to create tensions, both amongst the Israelis and Palestinians, he was a genius at creating conflict as well as perpetrating it. His opposition to the Camp David talks and Ehud Barak also illustrate how Ariel Sharon has no intention of ever having peace with the Palestinians. If not for him, peace and and independent state for Palestine may have came through Ehud Barak, it certainly was never a possibilty under Ariel Sharon.
I too, echo what Von Smallhausen and others have said insofar that I hope he has found peace and my thoughts to his family, but his legacy is one that shames Israel and the world.