Glad he's dead tbh. I'll just leave it at that.
And whilst people 'have a go' at the Jews for moving into the area and attempting to kick the Palestinians out, they were given permission to go there by the UN and UK without clearance or acceptance from the Palestinian people.
So I do see both sides of the argument, but ultimately both sides have done hideous things to one another. I just feel sorry for the innocent people living and dying in the area.
No they wern't given 'permission' as you refer to it. Jewish terrorists invaded the lands there using the balfour treaty as an excuse - nothing was actually agreed by the British nor the UN. Read the balfour treaty - it doesn't state they have permission to do what they did, and you might also want to re-check your evaluation of the UN's position on the creation of Israel - its been discussed many a time here on this forum.
His ability as a military commander and strategist is beyond question. He is dead and as FF says, he had family and I respect that but the treatment if Palestinians under his premiership is not something I remember with fondness. Their treatment and the repugnant hypocrisy of the US looking the other way while preaching the fight for freedom for all leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.
I hope he has found peace although his legacy has ensured that the Palestinians have not.
I'm glad he's out of his misery - 7 years in a coma is a harsh way to go, even though he was clearly pro-zionist, and not interested in actual peace - The rest is between him and his Lord now
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/01/sharon-architect-terror-20141124489119748.html
I would point out that the a West Bank withdrawal under Sharon was very limited, intentionally so and precipitated by the building of The Barrier (albeit also under the pretext of stopping further terrorist bombings), also I think it was obvious that by withdrawing from Gaza and effectively annexing it from the West Bank and outside support would create a void into which Hamas could prosper and along with the increased tension amongst Israeli settlers it can be objectively argued (and some Israeli Liberal commentators have done so) that it was a calculated act to ensure that no Palestinian State could or would be a single entity while creating a groundswell of opposition amongst both Israeli and Palestinian toward each other, therefore following the age old military tactic of divide and rule.
^^This - well said Castiel - Israel was and is still known to make it look like they are making compromises/ are the victims when in the long run they are actually setting themselves up for more land grabbing. Have a look at this for example for violations of the truce treaty since 2012:
http://flotillahyvesarchief.weebly.com/truce-violations-2012-13.html
Although they kill and slaughter palestinians all the time, most of this doesn't make the mainstream news - so generally people side with them, when they claim a rocket attack killed someone in Israel and they try to justify sending in bombers and taking out a palestinian hospital or refugee camp...
My answer to the problem in Israel and Palestine is simple and one that the western nations should be interested in as the 'palestinian cause' is a well known reason for promoting 'islamic terrorism', and some of the tensions between the middle-eastern nations:
A
one-state solution. Not divide the people with two states. Call it whatever you like, israel, smisrael, baytul-maqdis, palestisrael whatever. For thousands of years all muslims, christians and jews lived in peace in Israel. Only since the zionist terrorist groups invaded and created Israel has there been a seperation between all three of these abrahamic religions, recently.
Funny how we in the west are quick to jump and introduce regime change in all four corners of the world, but refuse to be involved in this one (occasionally denouncing violence from both sides but not actually doing anything, bearing in mind we (western nations) are the root cause of the zionist terrorists invading them lands - i.e. them using the UN and Balfour treaty as excuses for being there). BUT - we are where we are, and have to move forward rather than dwelling on the past.
Remove the current governments on both sides, along with the borders and introduce this ideology called 'democracy' we keep banding about at the other nations. Let ALL the people democratically elect who they want in charge and let everyone there live equally (as they used to before), with equal rights to vote, eat, live, own land, sleep etc.
The world will be a much better and safer place for it. Peace does not exist in a two-state solution as neither side is willing to give up anything really....
I pray that both sides can learn to live in peace together, bearing in mind we are now in the year 2014! peace out.
