ARM to split off to china?

[Jacky60]

From 18th March 2018:
Today’s Mail on Sunday reports that China is set to give the Russian government money as part of the country's aid and loan programmes, while claiming that the UK government gives aid to China. To be clear, no UK aid goes to Russia and in fact no DFID money goes to China.

https://dfidnews.blog.gov.uk/2018/03/18/mail-on-sunday-claims-on-aid-to-china/

As for your laughable claim that: "every single thing China has was given to it free of charge by greedy Western Billionaires".... I just can't even...

+1 Yeah I had to laugh at that bit, a civilisation with a written history going back thousands of years that invented a vast number of things was somehow born yesterday using hand me downs from Western billionaires. Seems the most rudimentary understanding of history, which incidentally is concealed in books and that's probably the problem, is way beyond some people!

 

[pc-guy]

The UK's attitude to technology has infuriated me for decades. Successive UK governments have ignored how valuable the Technology sector is. We were once one of the top countries for both hardware and software. Now we are a small bit-part player. The UK, and to a lesser degree other Western countries, just look at the short term cost or profit. Short term, short term, short term. We've thrown away so many advantages.

That is the problem of democracy. Successive governments and leaders come in and have their own agenda. Makes a mockery of our lives.

there needs to be a council which involves industrial leaders from key sectors and some high level public servants to act as some kind of quasi agency to over see our industrial policy. These things affect life’s a generation down the line. No politicians have that level of foresight or will.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Do you think RISC-V will then take off if ARM is procured by nvidia?

Also how does an open standard work with Chinese chip makers? RISC-V is still American tech.

Since it is an open standard,pretty much anyone can base chips around the instruction set. It is why the EU and Indian indigenous processor intiatives are using RISC-V.

I still cant get my head around the workings of ARM, who owns it UK, US or Japan ?


I dont know why the UK keep doing this, BT, Range, rover, MG, Jaguar, ARM to name a few. most think highly of big brands, look at the US (Apple, tesla,) germany, ect.

Why does the UK have nothing ?

ATM,Japan from what I gather. Maybe the UK government does have some legal rights over it,but that would assume our lot even have bothered.

The UK has nothing as its quick buck Britain. You should look at the history of our aerospace industry when one idiot in the late 1950s said manned aircraft were obsolete,and it ended up meaning lots of designs were cancelled. Or things like sabotaging our own civilian aviation industry,or giving away engine designs,and schematics on successful supersonic innovations,etc.

 

[FoxEye]

That is the problem of democracy. Successive governments and leaders come in and have their own agenda. Makes a mockery of our lives.

there needs to be a council which involves industrial leaders from key sectors and some high level public servants to act as some kind of quasi agency to over see our industrial policy. These things affect life’s a generation down the line. No politicians have that level of foresight or will.

It's more specifically a problem of FPTP.

Our government swings from Labour to Tory and back to Labour again.

More sane places (not the US, lol) have long-term coalition governments which can be much more forward looking, and are inherently much more stable and predictable.

Whereas our lot are typically just thinking about the next 5 years (if you're lucky).

Everything about FPTP is archaic and useless, but both the Tories and Labour would lose out if we scrapped it (which will never happen).

 

[pc-guy]

It's more specifically a problem of FPTP.

Our government swings from Labour to Tory and back to Labour again.

More sane places (not the US, lol) have long-term coalition governments which can be much more forward looking, and are inherently much more stable and predictable.

Whereas our lot are typically just thinking about the next 5 years (if you're lucky).

Everything about FPTP is archaic and useless, but both the Tories and Labour would lose out if we scrapped it (which will never happen).

Even in coalition system, there will be little to no long term political investment. Looks at European countries where a lot of countries are coalition governments and some just don’t work. Alright Germans are very precious about their manufacturing industry. But that’s hardly a long term vision. They just happened to have a massive car manufacturing industry (happened over decades of course through market forces largely) and similarly UK or London specifically became a massive financial and service hub (from 80s onwards, there is a political push during thatcher years for free market and deregulation).

 

[FoxEye]

Even in coalition system, there will be little to no long term political investment. Looks at European countries where a lot of countries are coalition governments and some just don’t work. Alright Germans are very precious about their manufacturing industry. But that’s hardly a long term vision. They just happened to have a massive car manufacturing industry (happened over decades of course through market forces largely) and similarly UK or London specifically became a massive financial and service hub (from 80s onwards, there is a political push during thatcher years for free market and deregulation).

The Europeans run their infrastructure a lot better than we do. Everything from telecomms to transport.

There really is no comparison. German trains run on time, are owned by the state, and ticket prices are a fraction of UK lolprices.

We're just about sell, sell, sell, and that *always* results in profits being funnelled to shareholders and CEOs, with losses and debts picked up by the taxpayer. It's brilliant.

 

[pc-guy]

The Europeans run their infrastructure a lot better than we do. Everything from telecomms to transport.

There really is no comparison. German trains run on time, are owned by the state, and ticket prices are a fraction of UK lolprices.

We're just about sell, sell, sell, and that *always* results in profits being funnelled to shareholders and CEOs, with losses and debts picked up by the taxpayer. It's brilliant.

Don’t disagree with you there. UK has no industry. The ones tax payer fork out on we (tax payer) don’t actually have a say in how the companies are run or see any profits being returned to the tax payer. It’s a complete scandal.

I am not saying EU is a shining light in foresight. But in comparison, UK is definitely bat blind and don’t have sonar location either.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

We're just about sell, sell, sell, and that *always* results in profits being funnelled to shareholders and CEOs, with losses and debts picked up by the taxpayer. It's brilliant.

There are few terms and phrases for that - "Privatizing profits and socializing losses" and "Corporate socialism".

 

[Freddie1980]

The Europeans run their infrastructure a lot better than we do. Everything from telecomms to transport.

There really is no comparison. German trains run on time, are owned by the state, and ticket prices are a fraction of UK lolprices.

We're just about sell, sell, sell, and that *always* results in profits being funnelled to shareholders and CEOs, with losses and debts picked up by the taxpayer. It's brilliant.

Fairs are higher in the UK because the viewpoint of the government is the burden for paying for the cost of supporting the rail network should be picked up by commuters who use the network not taxpayers. Ultimately we pay a similar price for running a trains one way or the other. If we want cheaper trains then we need to replace expensive union backed staff with as much automation as possible.

 

[englishpremier]

It's worse than just ARM. Isn't the UK using US designed/built nuclear weapons as our main deterrent. What happens when the UK is at odds with the US? Like it was during the Suez canal crisis? Does it shut them down like France did to Argentina, by giving the UK the codes to the equipment it sold to Argentina? At least France makes their own deferent, and their own infrastructure, including Nuclear power stations, trains, fighter planes etc..

Similar sized economies and populations, but I'd say Britain has been falling further and further behind France on many things over the past decade or more

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It's worse than just ARM. Isn't the UK using US designed/built nuclear weapons as our main deterrent. What happens when the UK is at odds with the US? Like it was during the Suez canal crisis? Does it shut them down like France did to Argentina, by giving the UK the codes to the equipment it sold to Argentina? At least France makes their own deferent, and their own infrastructure, including Nuclear power stations, trains, fighter planes etc..

Similar sized economies and populations, but I'd say Britain has been falling further and further behind France on many things over the past decade or more

We are the first and only country,to make our own carrier rocket,launch and indigenous satellite,and then cancel it. Reason?? Cheaper to buy from the yanks,who then put the prices up. A few years later France,started Arianespace.

Edit!!

I think Suez was part of the problem IMHO and why we seem to have sold our own aerospace industry down the river,between the 1950s~1970s. Its almost like we don't want another Suez like scenario happening again.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

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[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

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[pc-guy]

We are the first and only country,to make our own carrier rocket,launch and indigenous satellite,and then cancel it. Reason?? Cheaper to buy from the yanks,who then put the prices up. A few years later France,started Arianespace.

Edit!!

I think Suez was part of the problem IMHO and why we seem to have sold our own aerospace industry down the river,between the 1950s~1970s. Its almost like we don't want another Suez like scenario happening again.

There was definitely an element of cosying up to the yanks in the old days. It was the heydays of NATO. Yanks were full of swagger. They wanted the best in everything (steal, pressure or just outright aggressive takeover) and also wanted everyone to follow suit. Spun this narrative of us and them.

literally history repeating itself.