Armenia vs Azerbaijan

dowie · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:16

Don't know if anyone else is following this but it has escalated a bit now:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311756761997729795

This could be interesting re: invoking the treaty and Russia getting involved - Turkey is already involved to some extent (mostly via proxy from Turkish controlled forces moved out of Syria, equipment supplies and some air force involvement). Also use of an S300 for people who like weapons etc... (these threads always seem to attract them)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311760873376092161

Dis86 · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:19

Been watching intently. What a total mess. Wonder who Russia will support.

Rroff · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:20

Was wondering when a thread would appear - I've been following Twitter posts on and off but I don't really know much about this conflict and what and who is involved.

dowie · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:27

Well I guess on one side the disputed region is technically Azerbaijan's territory.... but that's thanks to the usual mess with Soviet borders etc.. and it has an Armenian majority and has been under the control of Armenia for a while now. I'm not sure Azerbaijan cares much about the people there either (or perhaps they'd not be shelling them), they just want the land. On ther other hand this esclation to attacking Armenia proper (rather than the disputed territory which is technically, on the map, theirs) things could get a bit heated....

Dis86 · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:34

dowie said:
Well I guess on one side the disputed region is technically Azerbaijan's territory.... but that's thanks to the usual mess with Soviet borders etc.. and it has an Armenian majority and has been under the control of Armenia for a while now. I'm not sure Azerbaijan cares much about the people there either (or perhaps they'd not be shelling them), they just want the land. On ther other hand this esclation to attacking Armenia proper (rather than the disputed territory which is technically, on the map, theirs) things could get a bit heated....

Seeing as Russia and Armenia have a military defence pact in place with this Russia should intervene on their behalf. However they also have interests in Azerbaijan, particularly oil related.

Ryan-3 · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:35

Not surprised that things appear to be escalating. Hopefully, this doesn't become a complete mess, although who knows what might be possible if Russia steps in to help deal with it.

dowie · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:39

dowie said:
On ther other hand this esclation to attacking Armenia proper (rather than the disputed territory which is technically, on the map, theirs) things could get a bit heated....

Wonder if the first tweeter got a bit carried away - if these are surveillance drones then not technically an attack... though there has apparently been some shelling of areas in Armenia so I guess that could still prompt the request for assistance from Russia. If they trigger this treaty then I guess Russia perhaps has to be seen to act.

EdwardTeach · 1 Oct 2020 at 23:55

Dis86 said:
Seeing as Russia and Armenia have a military defence pact in place with this Russia should intervene on their behalf. However they also have interests in Azerbaijan, particularly oil related.

There are stronger cultural ties to Armenia as both are orthodox Christian countries, I think that will play a role.

dowie · 2 Oct 2020 at 00:00

Yup - but also just that CTSO treaty, it's like the ex-Soviet equivalent of NATO and if a request is made and Russia doesn't assist then it makes the whole thing rather moot.

LeMson · 2 Oct 2020 at 00:30

Who are the goodies and baddies or Whose side are we on?

Rroff · 2 Oct 2020 at 00:32

LeMson said:
Who are the goodies and baddies or Whose side are we on?

Interesting questions. Gets even more complex with the positions of Turkey and France, etc.

StriderX · 2 Oct 2020 at 00:38

Hopefully it means Turkey and Russia square off, along with NATO ignoring Turkey's requests for help for being poop. If I were Ukraine i'd also use the opportunity to move into Donbass, though i imagine that's being generous towards Ukraine's abilities.

dowie · 2 Oct 2020 at 00:54

LeMson said:
Who are the goodies and baddies or Whose side are we on?

I reckon Azerbaijan deserves a nuke purely for releasing this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311772844364361728

Tosno · 2 Oct 2020 at 00:55

LeMson said:
Who are the goodies and baddies or Whose side are we on?

Orthodoxy.

Rroff · 2 Oct 2020 at 01:05

dowie said:
I reckon Azerbaijan deserves a nuke purely for releasing this:

Instagram generation meet war

dowie · 2 Oct 2020 at 01:05

Kim Kardashian is (unsurprisingly) posting some pro Armenian tweets:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311352622574526464

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311118955382280198

Some amusing/delusional comments from other twitter users though about why she isn't posting about the US etc.. as if their issues are anywhere near comparible.

dowie · 2 Oct 2020 at 01:07

Rroff said:
Instagram generation meet war

Yup - had just pressed post on the above too when your reply popped up!

I guess ISIS made quite extensive use of social media both for recruitment and PR during their involvement in Syria.

Brizzles · 2 Oct 2020 at 01:59

dowie said:
Kim Kardashian is (unsurprisingly) posting some pro Armenian tweets:

She should go out there if she's that concerned.

Stand her on the border and the drones won't have the range to fly around her huge arse to reach Armenia

FoxEye · 2 Oct 2020 at 02:07

LeMson said:
Who are the goodies and baddies or Whose side are we on?

Who can/do we sell the most arms to?

ahar · 2 Oct 2020 at 10:14

LeMson said:
Who are the goodies and baddies or Whose side are we on?

That is a great question. I'd probably net out on the Armenian side, in that the population in the affected region don;t want to be ruled by Azerbaijan (from what I;ve read) and they should have a chance to determine their own future. However, once shots are fired, my guess is that both sides are going to be doing some nasty things (shelling civilians etc)