Asian Gangs

Well back on topic, more arrests in Manchester although an unrelated case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-12159058

Nine men have been arrested as part of a police investigation into sexual exploitation of teenage girls in Greater Manchester.

They were held on suspicion of causing or inciting child prostitution, sexual activity with a child and paying for the sexual services of a child.

The men, aged between 20 and 40 from Rochdale and Heywood, were arrested on 21 December.

They have been released on police bail pending further inquiries.

The men arrested were of Asian origin and the move was as a result of an inquiry launched in 2008 into the sexual exploitation of teenage girls.
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Maybe Jack Straw has more insight into this problem than he has been given credit for?
 
Nickg said:
Yea I'm with Von. Keep pretending that nothing has happened ans the problem will just go away on its own right?

That is by far the most sensible and protective we can be.
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Har har. On the flipside, are we prepared to accept that paedophilia is a serious problem in the white community, and the white community needs to take firm action and tackle it. We're all in this together, and if we don't speak out, we're all complicit in the abuse.
 
vonhelmet said:
Har har. On the flipside, are we prepared to accept that paedophilia is a serious problem in the white community, and the white community needs to take firm action and tackle it. We're all in this together, and if we don't speak out, we're all complicit in the abuse.
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Most people speak out against crime, regardless of the offence, offender or victim.
 
Nickg said:
I don't think that all criminal gangs can be dealt with in the same way. If some need more urgent attention than others why would you advocate doing anything but starting there?

Its like any time people mention problems with Asians you immediately try to deflect the attention, be it ' white people do crimes' ' white people have gangs Togo's.

We know. That doesn't mean that these Asians should be beyond news or a tion does it. You are the worst kind of apologist who ignores the isseues or tries to aggregate them to the point where you are covering up the issue and pretending its not even there
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Of course all criminal gangs should be treated the same way. Are you suggesting that we should pay more attention to a particular gang because of their ethnicity?

It shouldn't be about race at all, it should be about criminal activity. If the Gang is Asian so what, they should be targeted the same as if they were Eastern European or like the recent Plymouth Paedophile Ring who were predominantly Female.

Do we begin to target the White female community because of the numerous recent paedophile rings involving women, of course not. We target paedophilia rings, the same should be true of gang culture, we should be targeting ALL gang culture.

In predominantly Asian communities like areas of Bradford this means targeting the Asian Gangs, but their race should not be the issue here, the fact that they are criminals should be. They should be targeted by the local police in the same way as White gangs in Manchester or Black Gangs in Inner London are, The fact that they are targeting vulnerable children should be the emphasis, there race shouldn't matter.

I am not an apologist, you don't even know what that word means and apply it to anyone who doesn't share your bigoted viewpoint.

Considering I spent many years fighting against Islamic fundamentalism calling me an apologist is frankly stupid.

I simply wish to live in a country where EVERYONE is considered innocent until proven guilty and whatever colour/race/religion you happen to be doesn't dictate how the authorities treat you.
 
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simulatorman said:
We are all awake to that fact that there are criminal gangs but we should not look the other way if there may be a problem with one particular group just because people say or think a race card is being played.
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No one is suggesting they should, I am stating that their Race should be immaterial and they should be targeted as such. They are criminals, we should not be attributing their actions to the entire community, which is currently what is happening.

They should be targeted in the same ways as any other gang culture in the UK, be it the white gangs in Manchester or the Black gangs in London. In predominantly Asian communities then obviously to fight those gangs that reside there must be tackled within that community, but that doesn't mean we should be making a big issue out of their race or religion, the big deal is the criminality.
 
Castiel said:
Of course all criminal gangs should be treated the same way. Are you suggesting that we should pay more attention to a particular gang because of their ethnicity?
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If ethnicity is a factor why not?

The problem is it that you are banded a racist if you suggest it. As I have mentioned before, knife and gun crime in London is disproportionately committed by young black men, I personally think Stop and Search should target that demographic but that will never happen.
 
Castiel said:
No one is suggesting they should, I am stating that their Race should be immaterial and they should be targeted as such. They are criminals, we should not be attributing their actions to the entire community, which is currently what is happening.

They should be targeted in the same ways as any other gang culture in the UK, be it the white gangs in Manchester or the Black gangs in London. In predominantly Asian communities then obviously to fight those gangs that reside there must be tackled within that community, but that doesn't mean we should be making a big issue out of their race or religion, the big deal is the criminality.
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But you cannot ignore strong correlations in factors such as race. If a certain demographic is a lot more likely to commit a certain crime, then surely efforts should be made to alleviate this til it reflects other demographics?
 
OldCoals said:
If ethnicity is a factor why not?

The problem is it that you are banded a racist if you suggest it. As I have mentioned before, knife and gun crime in London is disproportionately committed by young black men, I personally think Stop and Search should target that demographic but that will never happen.
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I agree with you there, however the issue here is the assumption in the media and several posters on here that it is exclusively Asian problem, when in fact it is not, the Grooming and abuse of vulnerable girls is a problem through out all ethnicities with regard to gang culture, that the Asian Gang's target only white girls should not detract from the issue that there are gangs of all ethnicities do exactly the same.

In Bradford it is predominantly Asian gangs, because the populace is predominantly Asian, or we should be more specific and say Pakistani. Many of the families are from the tribal northern regions of Pakistan and that culture can be part of the problem, I see no racism in saying so, but attributing the actions of a small group to an entire community is foolish and the same as ignoring the fact that it is not only Asian gangs or even predominately Asian gangs targeting vulnerable children in the country at large.

Should law enforcement target the Pakistani community to fight Pakistani Gangs, of course they should, but they are criminals and there actions should not automatically be attributed to all Pakistanis, or all we accomplish is isolating the community and then no-one wins.

By all means target crime in high crime communities, but to make an issue out of them being Asian is simply missing the point.
 
kenmare said:
But you cannot ignore strong correlations in factors such as race. If a certain demographic is a lot more likely to commit a certain crime, then surely efforts should be made to alleviate this til it reflects other demographics?
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The problem is that the demographic being spoken about is not more likely to target vulnerable children, they are more likely to choose their targets by their ethnicity, but the vast amount of grooming and under-age prostitution in the UK is not committed exclusively by Asians, and we should not ignore that fact to target a specific group just because of there ethnicity.


We should be targeting street gangs within these communities, and there are street gangs in all ethnicities, not only the Pakistani ones of Northern England.
 
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Castiel said:
In Bradford it is predominantly Asian gangs, because the populace is predominantly Asian, or we should be more specific and say Pakistani. Many of the families are from the tribal northern regions of Pakistan and that culture can be part of the problem, I see no racism in saying so, but attributing the actions of a small group to an entire community is foolish and the same as ignoring the fact that it is not only Asian gangs or even predominately Asian gangs targeting vulnerable children in the country at large.
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And this is the multiculturalism that some people want the native population to embrace, yes?
 
OldCoals said:
And this is the multiculturalism that some people want the native population to embrace, yes?
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No, this is the segregation of communities that no-one wants to embrace.

Multiculturalism is when these communities integrate fully.

What do you suggest is the alternative, what would you do to solve the problem.
 
Castiel said:
No, this is the segregation of communities that no-one wants to embrace.

Multiculturalism is when these communities integrate fully.

What do you suggest is the alternative, what would you do to solve the problem.
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I struggle to see what me or you can do to change age old cultural attitudes to be frank.
 
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