Soldato
Never mind.
Assange to go!
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Never mind.
Soldato
The day he involved himself in politics and took a side he lost any respect I might have had for him. Couldn't care less if he rots in jail.
It would be if it makes whistleblowing essentially untenable. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Assange as a person.
Do we want to live in a world where anyone shining a light on government malpractice can expect a life sentence? The UK govt would love that just as much as the US.
Commissario
I think a large part of the problem with the way Assange worked was that he took no steps to protect the innocent when he did his "whistle blowing" (he published lists of LGBT people in Iran and Iraq etc), and he made no attempt to verify information he was publishing, and he was, as has been noted not impartial in his activities.
That's before the whole thing where he went on to commit further crimes by breaking legal agreements and tried to avoid justice, and as with many things the attempt to evade court even if you are innocent of the initial allegations is a serious offence in itself.
That's before the whole thing where he went on to commit further crimes by breaking legal agreements and tried to avoid justice, and as with many things the attempt to evade court even if you are innocent of the initial allegations is a serious offence in itself.
Were many arrested after wikileaks exposed the CIA torturing prisoners or is it just Julian Assange who's getting prison time?
Torture is against the Geneva Convention, but I suppose that's not important if he did something that was pro-Trump.
en.wikipedia.org
It's weird because scrolling through this it's almost like he published negative leaks around a lot of different political sides.
Torture is against the Geneva Convention, but I suppose that's not important if he did something that was pro-Trump.
List of material published by WikiLeaks - Wikipedia
It's weird because scrolling through this it's almost like he published negative leaks around a lot of different political sides.
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Caporegime
There's no indication that Assange will get a life sentence, and whatever happens to him will be based on his particular circumstances. It won't necessarily apply to everyone else.
The US has whistleblower legislation (e.g. the Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989, which protects federal employees) but leaking classified government documents as a journalist is very different, and it seems the law has not kept pace with the complexities involved in cases like that.
The best case scenario is that the Assange case results in better protections for journalists who use government documents to expose government crimes, regardless of how those documents were obtained. However, most of what Assange leaked wasn't anything to do with government crimes; it was a mixture of regular government business, private details of non-government organisations, and boring stuff from the corporate world.
He did until Trump came along. Then he went all in with his support for Trump, as the secret emails between Wikileaks and Don Jr. make very clear. Assange did his best to interfere with the 2016 election for Trump's benefit, and requested political favours in return.
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I would guess given he was seeking asylum in 2016 and living in an embassy, his support for Trump was on the hopeful grounds that he would be given a pardon.
Is exposing a torture program not important? Or is torture okay?
Soldato
There is no reason he is being held in the UK.
The only place he should be going back to is Australia.
The only place he should be going back to is Australia.
Don
Those days are long gone aren't they?
Soldato
When Trump was still the President and asked if he would pardon him, Trump said "I don't know anything about wikileaks".
Soldato
Were many arrested after wikileaks exposed the CIA torturing prisoners or is it just Julian Assange who's getting prison time?
Torture is against the Geneva Convention, but I suppose that's not important if he did something that was pro-Trump.
List of material published by WikiLeaks - Wikipedia
It's weird because scrolling through this it's almost like he published negative leaks around a lot of different political sides.
He was always risking being arrested and deported to the US when he published stolen classified documents. That is illegal.
The reason many, including myself think he stepped outside of just exposing government wrong doing is he worked with Russia to publish emails they stole, coordinating with Roger Stone to release them at just the right time to help Trump get elected. So he's gone from exposing corruption to being part of it.
As for why haven't people found to have tortured prisoners gone to jail, well that is the US for you, they tend to protect their own. Lets not forget Trump pardoned soldiers found guilty of murdering civilians and injured soldiers, even one who's own squad reported him to their superiors and who the Joint Chiefs said belonged in jail. He advocated for torturing enemy combatants in his campaign.
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Soldato
Yes,
Australia want him back;
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Australia PM says 'frustrated' over continued detention of Julian Assange
Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said on Friday he was frustrated for not yet finding a diplomatic fix over the continued detention of Julian Assange and that he remained concerned about the mental health of the WikiLeaks' founder.
www.reuters.com
Caporegime
Julian Assange is allegedly down to his very last, absolutely last, certainly last, probably last, possibly last, not even sure at this stage if it's the last, chance to evade justice.
I look forward to January next year, when he'll still be in the UK and newspapers will yet again tell me he's making a bid for his last chance to avoid extradition.
I look forward to January next year, when he'll still be in the UK and newspapers will yet again tell me he's making a bid for his last chance to avoid extradition.
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Caporegime
Oh dear. So sad.
Caporegime
He'd never do it. He's too much of a coward, and he thrives on attention.
Caporegime
Remember folks, Assange 'lost his extradition fight' 13 years ago, but he's still in the UK.
I wish the legal system would bless me with the preferential kid gloves treatment Assange enjoys.
I wish the legal system would bless me with the preferential kid gloves treatment Assange enjoys.
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Soldato
I doubt many people care any more really.
Caporegime
To be fair, that was the other time he was being extradited before he spent years hiding in an embassy to avoid a fair trial for rape.
Thought it was common knowledge that his charges of rape were dropped in (can't remember what country) very quickly, invalidating the need for extradition for that, and his persecution is all part of the same legalese nonsense of weaponizing the law that other high profile targets have suffered for controversially shining a light on things wanted kept dark.
Haven't been following this one closely and not invested in it, just astounded on skimming this last page here it's apparently not so according to forum consensus.
The idea he was a partisan for Trump that got him in trouble - he fled to the Ecuadorian embassy in 2012, so that doesn't figure.
Haven't been following this one closely and not invested in it, just astounded on skimming this last page here it's apparently not so according to forum consensus.
The idea he was a partisan for Trump that got him in trouble - he fled to the Ecuadorian embassy in 2012, so that doesn't figure.
Caporegime
Funniest part is that Assange begged for involvement with the Trump campaign, but was largely ignored, then once Trump was in power, his administration considered assassinating Assange.
