Soldato
Never stick your **** in crazy.
Assange to go!
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Caporegime
I didn't say that.
What I did say is that I find it very suspicious that at exactly the point that he finally annoys America enough that they start taking serious notice of him, he gets two rape allegations thrown at him.
Caporegime
I'm completely undecided on what to make of this, but I fancy playing devil's advocate..
How so? He is alleging that the charges are cooked. If that is the case, it is EU (and UK, I believe) law that he be protected and granted asylum if necessary.
That is exactly the allegations he is making, that he is being persecuted.. therefore completely relevant!
Not so irrelevant. EU law/human rights stipulates that someone can only be extradited where they will face a fair and humane trial. I believe they are contesting that the death penalty is not humane, and that the trial itself will not be fair. We're in the EU, thus it is very much our jurisdiction.
Not so, everything will be investigated again for such a high profile case, particularly with the above points.
Agreed.
Man of Honour
Agreed.
Nothing was put forward until after the reveal, and some of the events go back years. Yet seemingly no woman had complained up until that point.
It's nothing more than finding something irrelevant about somebody because you dislike a totally unrelated event that happens afterwards.
Rape's a perfect topic to get people stirred up against him.
Nothing was put forward until after the reveal, and some of the events go back years. Yet seemingly no woman had complained up until that point.
It's nothing more than finding something irrelevant about somebody because you dislike a totally unrelated event that happens afterwards.
Rape's a perfect topic to get people stirred up against him.
Caporegime
Britain and sweden do have good justice systems in general but when america decides they want something to happen, most countries bend over.
Lets not kid ourselves, we have made decisions over the years that have lost lives, been illegal and down right un-democratic at Americas behest.
The rape allegations have been there for a good while as far as I understand but they were thrown out as a judge had previously said that the case was *******. They have been dug up again since then due to the wiki leaks.
Lets not kid ourselves, we have made decisions over the years that have lost lives, been illegal and down right un-democratic at Americas behest.
The rape allegations have been there for a good while as far as I understand but they were thrown out as a judge had previously said that the case was *******. They have been dug up again since then due to the wiki leaks.
Soldato
Apparently one of the women was so upset with being raped that she Twittered him happily for a few days after the event.
Obviously these had to be deleted for the Americans to make a case with the Swedish to start the extradition proceedings.
If he is proven guilty in Sweden, he should serve time there.
If the US has such a strong case against him regarding Wikileaks, why are they not directly extraditing him from here?
Obviously these had to be deleted for the Americans to make a case with the Swedish to start the extradition proceedings.
If he is proven guilty in Sweden, he should serve time there.
If the US has such a strong case against him regarding Wikileaks, why are they not directly extraditing him from here?
I think you should go in his place.
Caporegime
Allowing Wikileaks to keep revealing military information could cost lives too.
Man of Honour
We've also stopped talking about the Taliban using villages as cover.
And the Americans killing hostages when they start throwing frag grenades around when they storm said villages.
Soldato
It's Wikileak's fault that the US invades countries it shouldn't?
We should all cheer and smile when the US kills another unarmed civilian?
Man of Honour
Actually I did cover the unfair trial 'angle' (admittedly not using those exact words). That'd likely get us a day in court in front of the ECHR if we did extradite under those circumstances.
Given the UK has just about the most favourable extradition terms with the US possible, how would Sweden extraditing to the US be any different from us doing it, and how is it going to be any more likely?
As a general point (i.e. not specific to this case), how could extradition from Sweden to the US be any more unfair or inhumane than from the UK to US? (death penalty aside)
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I'm not advocating what he done by any means in releasing all the confidential documents. To be frank, I don't know what to make of it and it seemingly hasn't caused me any threat and so I'm assuming my country isn't in any more terrible danger either.
But regardless of all that, I do not think it is just a coincidence that this is brought up now that all the documents have been leaked and are continuing (apparently) to be leaked.
Just this ounce of corruption in the air is enough to make me think no we shouldn't extradite him to Sweden in case he is punished there and then sent to the States where he could face the death penalty.
And I'm actually pro-capital punishment as well. But in this instance I don't think he deserves to ultimately go to the states and possibly be put to the needle. There's too much uncertainty of that occurring for me to think it justified to extradite him.
But regardless of all that, I do not think it is just a coincidence that this is brought up now that all the documents have been leaked and are continuing (apparently) to be leaked.
Just this ounce of corruption in the air is enough to make me think no we shouldn't extradite him to Sweden in case he is punished there and then sent to the States where he could face the death penalty.
And I'm actually pro-capital punishment as well. But in this instance I don't think he deserves to ultimately go to the states and possibly be put to the needle. There's too much uncertainty of that occurring for me to think it justified to extradite him.
Man of Honour
It's a war and they sure as hell aren’t going to throw sparklers.
Which is largely irrelevant.
Then accusations are made and he is required to face them. Sweden is not Iran, he will get a fair trial and if he is innocent he will be able to put his case and that is all that need be required by the British Courts to allow extradition.
Whether the accusations are false or not (I don't think they are) is not for us to decide, it is for the Swedish Courts to decide.
If the United States think they have a case against him for espionage then they can apply for an extradition warrant themselves which would be far easier to get from Britain than Sweden anyway.
Even if they did they'd probably still manage to kill someone and score it as acceptable collateral damage.
Caporegime
Frag grenades are an interesting choice of weapon when trying to avoid collateral damage. The americans have very little regard for anything but their own objectives.
I cannot see how anyone can defend americas actions in the last 10 years generally. There is very little good to say about their country and its effect on the world.
Americas arrogance will eventually be their downfall, hopefully in the next 10 or so years as other economies surpass them and start telling america to **** off.
Man of Honour
Are you suggesting that the courts or legal system in Sweden is corrupt or incompetent? That's what this line of reasoning boils down to. Sure, courts in some countries can be 'bought' or are little more than a thin veneer over the political apparatus, but this argument only really works if this is the case in Sweden.