Assault rifles and military-style semi-automatics have been banned in New Zealand

Having just observed a 2 minutes silence with almost our entire country could people please just stop and actually think about what they are saying on here and not just arguing to be pedantic. Our prime minister has taken a step with the overwhelming support of everyone in the country, it's called being in a democracy with someone leading who is properly in tune with the will of the people. I can respect peoples freedom of speech, but largely feeling a massive WTF over the rants in these threads.

I am a white, 30 something, atheist - and We are all them. Some people here don't seem to get just how real that belief is here, if you don't like that - don't come to NZ. If we can stop this happening again or in any way reduce the damage some nut job can do, GOOD.

This WOULD have saved lives and sends an absolute message that we do not have guns legally available in this country whose design purpose is to kill people.

It DOESN'T stop people owning a good target rifle, hunting rifle or shotgun - which are absolutely capable for almost any purpose you could legitimately want here.

And we have a democracy that WORKS so we don't need a populace armed to the teeth like killers. Perhaps America would be better if it had the same thing.
 
maschio said:
Yes i am. When was the last terrorist attack on UK soil carried out using a semi automatic rifle, or a shotgun, or a machine gun, or a fully automatic thing, or a pellet gun? Badess will find a way.
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Well plenty of those things are illegal - I suspect that if they weren't we might well have already seen a terror attack in the UK carried out using them.

We have of course had massacres the UK using both semi auto rifles (Huntington) and handguns (Dunblane) - in both incidents the perpetrators legally owned firearms and after each incident bans were brought in covering the firearms used and surprisingly enough we've not had mass shootings/massacres of that nature since.

Likewise Australia had a mass shooting and banned semi auto rifles too, guess how many mass shootings they've had since then?

For comparison - how many mass shootings do you think the US has?
 
maschio said:
Yes i am. When was the last terrorist attack on UK soil carried out using a semi automatic rifle, or a shotgun, or a machine gun, or a fully automatic thing, or a pellet gun? Badess will find a way.
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Isn't it good to limit the ways they find?
 
dowie said:
Well plenty of those things are illegal - I suspect that if they weren't we might well have already seen a terror attack in the UK carried out using them.

We have of course had massacres the UK using both semi auto rifles (Huntington) and handguns (Dunblane) - in both incidents the perpetrators legally owned firearms and after each incident bans were brought in covering the firearms used and surprisingly enough we've not had mass shootings/massacres of that nature since.

Likewise Australia had a mass shooting and banned semi auto rifles too, guess how many mass shootings they've had since then?

For comparison - how many mass shootings do you think the US has?
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Are we talking about terrorism? Or other random incidents that aren't classed as terrorism?
 
Evangelion said:
And that's a good thing, because .22 is a civilian round, whereas .223 is military.

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The .22 (left) has a speed of ~1,600 feet per second. It creates small entry and exit wounds. The .223 (right) has a speed of 3,000 feet per second. It creates a larger wound as it enters, tumbles inside the body for maximum damage, and causes additional trauma on exit.

Which would you prefer to be hit by?
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.223 is designed to wound, rather than kill, so that other men are then needed to support that person off the field etc. .22 is not a civilian round it just isn't suitabke for military use.
 
maschio said:
Elaborate.
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I'm not sure it needs much more elaboration - I've pointed out that they're illegal and that otherwise I suspect we would have seen a terror attack using them if they weren't. Note pre-911 the main terror threat in GB was Irish republicanism and though incredibly reckless at times they'd tend to not want to be seen deliberately killing civilians thus mass shootings not desired (loyalist groups did however carry out a couple). Now Islamic terror groups pose a significant threat and there is a small but growing threat form far right groups too - though these weapons are already very illegal.

Do you not think that say the London Bridge attackers would have caused even more deaths had they had access to semi auto weapons instead of a van and knives?

Secondly I've pointed out the incidents that caused these weapons to be made illegal, that those incidents involved legally owned firearms and that we've not had similar mass shootings since the legislation was passed.
 
dowie said:
I'm not sure it needs much more elaboration - I've pointed out that they're illegal and that otherwise I suspect we would have seen a terror attack using them if they weren't. Note pre-911 the main terror threat in GB was Irish republicanism and though incredibly reckless at times they'd tend to not want to be seen deliberately killing civilians thus mass shootings not desired (loyalist groups did however carry out a couple). Now Islamic terror groups pose a significant threat and there is a small but growing threat form far right groups too - though these weapons are already very illegal.

Do you not think that say the London Bridge attackers would have caused even more deaths had they had access to semi auto weapons instead of a van and knives?

Secondly I've pointed out the incidents that caused these weapons to be made illegal, that those incidents involved legally owned firearms and that we've not had similar mass shootings since the legislation was passed.
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Jeez have you ever kissed a girl,or boy depending on your preference? Enjoy life a little buddy
 
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