Assault rifles and military-style semi-automatics have been banned in New Zealand

108,000 to 3 million lol, so basically no one knows. How many are successful? A citizen with a gun didn't stop ANY of the mass shooting over the last few years.

Around 40,000 people were killed by guns in the US last year. I bet many of those were also carrying a gun for protection...

Mass shooters don't target places where the general public might be armed, they target schools and places where guns are banned, that's completely obvious
 
Mass shooters don't target places where the general public might be armed, they target schools and places where guns are banned, that's completely obvious

They also targeted a Las Vagas carpark, a church in Texas and a ******* military base...

Not exactly places where guns are lacking.
 
Mass shooters don't target places where the general public might be armed, they target schools and places where guns are banned, that's completely obvious

This was one of the biggest mass shootings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora,_Colorado_shooting

General public can be armed in that location, similarly the other big ones that went on to eclipse it were in Florida and Las Vegas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

In all those cases semi auto rifles were used.
 
Not necessarily.

In the Dallas police shooting, there was a situation where general members of the public were running around with guns, trying to 'help' all it did was cause confusion and slowed down law enforcement.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.html
Yes in that case it would be better not to draw the firearm, that's why I said can and not always. You have to engage brain before using firearm in any situation. That is why it is the responsibility of the person who carries the firearm to train themselves to a reasonable level and not just buy a firearm because it looks cool.
 
Only if you don’t shoot the victim and become the attacker yourself...

They ‘can’... I’d rather someone didn’t point another gun in my vicinity tyvm.
You don't have a choice it that situation though. Also yes nobody wants a gun pointed at them because guns would blow you and the guy attacking you away.
 
This was one of the biggest mass shootings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora,_Colorado_shooting

General public can be armed in that location, similarly the other big ones that went on to eclipse it were in Florida and Las Vegas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

In all those cases semi auto rifles were used.

You can't take a gun into a movie theater, a night club, or a festival, which is where those attacks happened. You can't just say they happened in states where you can have a gun.
 
You have to engage brain before using firearm in any situation..

Which too be fair, is a very bad argument for allowing the general public to walk around with firearms, because in general - people can't even park their cars properly, or tie their shoelaces without messing up, let alone walking around with loaded firearms.
 
Which too be fair, is a very bad argument for allowing the general public to walk around with firearms, because in general - people can't even park their cars properly, or tie their shoelaces without messing up, let alone walking around with loaded firearms.

This is the thing, I do like the way Americans can actually carry something to defend themselves where as we have to just run or get stabbed..... but I don't like the idea of any random moron having a gun at the same time.
 
This is the thing, I do like the way Americans can actually carry something to defend themselves where as we have to just run or get stabbed..... but I don't like the idea of any random moron having a gun at the same time.

You should always run anyway, attempting to fight is always dumb. You only have a single life.
 
You should always run anyway, attempting to fight is always dumb. You only have a single life.

Leaving the slower people, women & kids, your own family etc to die. While I'm glad that not all people are as selfish as you in emergency situations, it is entirely your choice in the end and if you can live with yourself after abandoning people to die then that's a bonus for you.

That probably sounds harsher than it's meant to be TBH.
 
Which too be fair, is a very bad argument for allowing the general public to walk around with firearms, because in general - people can't even park their cars properly, or tie their shoelaces without messing up, let alone walking around with loaded firearms.
Parking a car or tying a shoe lace has nothing to do with using a firearm though. I don't think when someone's life is at risk they will randomly start blasting away. Tbh isn't that what the police do anyway so what difference does it make? It's not like you can choose the policeman that comes to save you 15mins later, they could be a rookie and worse than the member of the public for all you know.

Also it's not like a car where every man and his dog has one either. Only someone who was confident enough to use it would carry in public otherwise they would be a high risk to themselves. If they are so incompetent as you suggest then they will probably shoot their own foot when drawing or forget to turn the safety off it it has one.

The might even forget to load it :D
 
This is the thing, I do like the way Americans can actually carry something to defend themselves where as we have to just run or get stabbed..... but I don't like the idea of any random moron having a gun at the same time.

Even carrying a gun you can still easily get stabbed. If someone comes at you within about 20ft with a knife (assuming you even see them), they will get to you before you can pull out a gun out of it's holster and aim it at them. Then you still need to actually hit them and hitting a moving target with a pistol isn't easy, even if you hit them it might not stop them. That's why when you see armed police/soldiers guarding places they already have a weapon in their hands and a buffer zone.

It gives people a false sense of safety and statistically your much more likely to get shot if your carrying a gun.

You can't take a gun into a movie theater, a night club, or a festival, which is where those attacks happened. You can't just say they happened in states where you can have a gun.

But you can bet people take them in anyway. There is no one checking people in cinemas and outdoor festivals.
 
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Even carrying a gun you can still easily get stabbed. If someone comes at you within about 20ft with a knife (assuming you even see them), they will get to you before you can pull out a gun out of it's holster and aim it at them. Then you still need to actually hit them and hitting a moving target with a pistol isn't easy, even if you hit them it might not stop them. That's why when you see armed police/soldiers guarding places they already have a weapon in their hands and a buffer zone.
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Depends how good your draw is I guess, if youre this guy then youre ok.

 
But the cop is already expecting trouble and as you can see, still narrowly avoids getting hit in the face. The guy could have easily shot him if he wanted to. Or lunged at him and stabbed him.

Luckily most of the time the police are dealing with idiots like this guy and not someone who plans ahead.
 
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