Assault rifles and military-style semi-automatics have been banned in New Zealand

[Greebo]

I think non-firearm experienced folks would be extremely surprised to find out just how many legal uses they have which is why I find claims such as "99% don't need them" so unsurprising.



I think I cleared that up in my reply to him, I though we had a good discussion myself.

So do I, Discussion was good.

 

[VincentHanna]

It isn't pedantic, suggesting semi automatics are more dangerous than guns and should be banned, when they have no idea what they talking about. Most all guns are semi automatic. People are advocating for something when they dont know what they are talking about. It's very relevant indeed, being so against something you haven't any idea about, sounds like a recipe for a well thought out balanced viewpoint.

It's in the thread title, are you mental?

 

[Rroff]

Good on NZ for acting sensibly and so quickly. There can be very few reasons for 99% of people to claim to need a firearm these days, let alone a semi auto.

Why does it have to be about need?

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

Apologise for what? Nowhere in that article you linked does it say pest controllers need military style automatic and semi automatic weapons? Which was all i claimed.

Someone else that doesn't know what a semi automatic weapon is (ie almost all handguns/rifles). Is it the latest buzz word for idiots or something?

The article even says semi automatics are needed for pest control, it's in the first post.

 

[StriderX]

Why does it have to be about need?

So you need a tank? And in reference to the vermin control, a shotgun is more than enough.

 

[VincentHanna]

Why does it have to be about need?

Because the rights of people not to be killed by a terrorist wielding semi-automatic rifles trumps the wants of people to own semi-automatic rifles, for fun?

"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few"

Edit - I've clarified my post because apparently Lord-Jaffa can't read a thread title.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I was reading about NZ firearms legislation and was wondering if this change also requires firearms licence holders to register their firearms? I read that NZ is unusual in the fact that it only registers licence holders and not individual firearms. This already leads to the problem of nobody knowing exactly how many firearms need to be seized as part of this change. There will be a minority who won't surrender these weapons which still means they may be available to terrorists. I think it's clear that an actual firearm register is required for NZ but I'm not sure if this is part of the change in the law.

 

[Rroff]

So you need a tank? And in reference to the vermin control, a shotgun is more than enough.

There is always a balance to it - tanks aren't outright banned - obviously there are restrictions as to the armament on them. (and other than very light variants and what are technically armoured scout vehicles, etc. instead of tanks not very appropriate for driving on the road).

 

[Ugley_Matt]

No idea if this legislation will work or not, and to be honest, no-body knows for sure either way. However, i do think its great that they are least are doing some something. At least we can all agree it will be work better than the thoughts and prayers that are usually used in these situations.

 

[The_Abyss]

Why does it have to be about need?

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about things that were required to do something, as these things' primary purpose is to fire a projective a long distance to arrive with lethal force. I'm of the assumption that there has to be a fairly sort list of specific needs for objects with that purpose because most outcomes of that would be illegal.

 

[Greebo]

Someone else that doesn't know what a semi automatic weapon is (ie almost all handguns/rifles). Is it the latest buzz word for idiots or something?

The article even says semi automatics are needed for pest control, it's in the first post.

No, it doesn't. read it again.

 

[Rroff]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about things that were required to do something, as these things' primary purpose is to fire a projective a long distance to arrive with lethal force. I'm of the assumption that there has to be a fairly sort list of specific needs for objects with that purpose because most outcomes of that would be illegal.

There are many many people infact 99.999999999% of civilian firearms owners who shoot for pleasure, not hunting people or animals.

 

[StriderX]

There is always a balance to it - tanks aren't outright banned - obviously there are restrictions as to the armament on them.

Well you can certainly own a demilitarised tank (for whatever purpose), but it’s still essentially a big gun otherwise, if elected representatives feel it necessary to regulate the usage of increasingly misused arms, that’s up to them.

If someone wishes to stand on a manifesto of deregulation, that’s democracy.

 

[The_Abyss]

There are many many people infact 99.999999999% of civilian firearms owners who shoot for pleasure, not hunting people or animals.

Ah. So not a need at all then.

 

[Rroff]

I was reading about NZ firearms legislation and was wondering if this change also requires firearms licence holders to register their firearms? I read that NZ is unusual in the fact that it only registers licence holders and not individual firearms. This already leads to the problem of nobody knowing exactly how many firearms need to be seized as part of this change. There will be a minority who won't surrender these weapons which still means they may be available to terrorists. I think it's clear that an actual firearm register is required for NZ but I'm not sure if this is part of the change in the law.

It is an interesting point and they probably should have transitioned it with mandatory registration first though that wouldn't have had as much political capital.

Ah. So not a need at all then.

That is my point why does it have to be about need?

 

[jsmoke]

Just read this quote on Reddit, what do you think?

'Terrorism is manufactured to sell you Tyranny under the guise of "security"'.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

Someone else that doesn't know what a semi automatic weapon is (ie almost all handguns/rifles). Is it the latest buzz word for idiots or something?

The article even says semi automatics are needed for pest control, it's in the first post.

Wow. Must suck for us in the UK when 'almost all rifles' are unavailable for us to buy

Just read this quote on Reddit, what do you think?

'Terrorism is manufactured to sell you Tyranny under the guise of "security"'.

I think you need help.

 

[VincentHanna]

Just read this quote on Reddit, what do you think?

'Terrorism is manufactured to sell you Tyranny under the guise of "security"'.

I think it's a load of cobblers? Terrorism isn't manufactured.

But people can use terror attacks to pass awful laws.

Banning semi-automatic rifles wouldn't be one of them

The Patriot act after 9/11 was.

 

[Rroff]

Wow. Must suck for us in the UK when 'almost all rifles' are unavailable for us to buy

You can buy an AR-15 in the UK - though it is getting increasingly harder as most of the rifle ranges have been closing down.

 

[The_Abyss]

That is my point why does it have to be about need?

Because they're designed to kill people, and when they're not being used to kill people even in other controlled circumstances there's still a risk that they'll be used to kill people.

Now, let's get back to all those valid uses for semi automatic rifles, and how many people actually do need them. I admit, I plucked the figure of 1% from thin air but I'd be surprised if it was that high. Let's use the UK as an example, as most posters are from here and are familiar with our laws and customs. What needs are there for a semi automatic assault rifle?

Once we reach agreement on that (I admit that this is unlikely though) perhaps we could then take that agreement and position it in the context of another country, like New Zealand.