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It's more than that. They've made them so once the drive is corrupted you have a brick. And that it kills the drive early if you disable power saving.
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At what point do you say GPU's are too expensive and refuse to buy?
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It's more than that. They've made them so once the drive is corrupted you have a brick. And that it kills the drive early if you disable power saving.
As I said, data corruption is normal on NAND drives, it dying is unlikely. And yes, if data is corrupted you can't clone the software yourself and yes, data can be corrupted with age on all NAND based drives (not just in this console). And if that bricks the console, it's a bad design indeed, as it should give people option to just restore OS to factory state from the internet even with blank SSD - but here it seems they put the whole recover ON the SSD itself. That said, I've read these bits can be cloned from other xbox just to boot up to recovery and then it can be restored full, with new SSD (but couldn't confirm it). In worst case Microsoft seems to be offering paid repairs too if out of warranty.
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I posted too quickly and then redone my post, to fix my misunderstanding of what was said - but too slow, it seems.
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yes you should be able to do a "PC Windows" like install..but you can't.
I've read that the data on your Xbox NVME is unique to your console, so you can't just download a generic image and burn off like rufus.
It's not the data, it's the encryption key that they use to encrypt all other things - that seems to be tied up to the console and the drive, as it's a sort of DRM system to prevent people moving games from one console to the other. But that should be in the console itself (TPM chip), used to encrypt SSD, which is fine, but then swapping SSD wouldn't cause issues aside the need to format it and install OS and games from scratch. Here they dropped the ball royally, it seems. They have BitLocker in Windows already, this is likely the same thing, but instead of TPM chip that is used in PCs and laptops they did it in this weird way here.
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however the specifics they made it difficult, same for mac. they store BIOS on the NVME!!
Ideally it should be able to boot off from a USB flash drive that has the OS on and do a full install, so if you fit a new empty drive it'll set it up for you then install the OS. Basically like automated PC Windows install
No need for USB - put small code in BIOS to just start the console and connect to the internet to download whatever image is needed. That way it wouldn't bother user with USB sticks, searching for OS etc. It's not hard to do, tech is all there, it's a known solution (same as TPM chips) for years. Unknown why they decided against it - planned obsolescence?
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around 1k tbh, it's gotten absurd.
Some great points on price on the last few pages and I don't really disagree with anything said. That said, I will add a different angle from my own perspective for someone who won't upgrade every generation and holds on for a minimum of 2 maybe 3 generations.
Yes the prices are high but if I divide the cost by the number of hours I will end up using the 5090 before I get rid of it it works out relatively well. It will be plug in and forget about it and enjoy gaming with a top of the range rig for let's say 2 years and then still having decent performance for perhaps another year or two on top of that. I am lucky to be comfortable financially with no dependents so although I definitely needed to lube up to accept the price for my pre-order, it's not stopping me living my life and hopefully I will feel like I've had my moneys worth by the time I next upgrade!
Everyone has their own breakpoints though on price and what they're willing to pay but I would be surprised if the x90 series ever gets any cheaper over the coming years though I guess time will tell on that front.
I really don't like the 5080 though this go around: the bus width and VRAM capacity doesn't look to be in sync with the price and looks solely to exist to convince people to upgrade to the 5090 which I suppose has worked. It's definitely not a bad card, perhaps nvidia will reduce the price once stock is building up and not selling before sticking in a 5080Ti later at a performance level that perhaps the 5080 should have been originally.
Yes the prices are high but if I divide the cost by the number of hours I will end up using the 5090 before I get rid of it it works out relatively well. It will be plug in and forget about it and enjoy gaming with a top of the range rig for let's say 2 years and then still having decent performance for perhaps another year or two on top of that. I am lucky to be comfortable financially with no dependents so although I definitely needed to lube up to accept the price for my pre-order, it's not stopping me living my life and hopefully I will feel like I've had my moneys worth by the time I next upgrade!
Everyone has their own breakpoints though on price and what they're willing to pay but I would be surprised if the x90 series ever gets any cheaper over the coming years though I guess time will tell on that front.
I really don't like the 5080 though this go around: the bus width and VRAM capacity doesn't look to be in sync with the price and looks solely to exist to convince people to upgrade to the 5090 which I suppose has worked. It's definitely not a bad card, perhaps nvidia will reduce the price once stock is building up and not selling before sticking in a 5080Ti later at a performance level that perhaps the 5080 should have been originally.
But if they were half the price - where they should be - it'd work out 100% better than 'relatively well'
Prices are crazy. They've just become normailsed.
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I agree. When I bought the 1080 Ti, it cost roughly £700 (I can't remember exactly how much I spent now) and I swore I'd never spend more than that, up to now I have kept that promise as I've only just replaced it last summer for £399 on a Radeon 6950XT. But in truth that was a stop gap until this newest generation comes around and if the 5080 had of been 1)Much better (outperforming the 4090 by 10% like every other generation did over the last gens flagship) & 2)Be available and I would have paid the £1k for it. However I did still think about it, but chose not to even try.
I'm just praying AMD actually come up with something and these new cards have good performance at a reasonable price.
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I can see a time that getting a mini pc every 2 years could become a thing with the APU's getting so much better and more capable at playing AAA games for half the price of a GPU on it's own.
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But that’s dreamland isn’t it? They’re never coming down in price. They’ll probably level out at some point but gone are the days of top end GPUs for that price.
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Indeed the £1500 version of the Mac mini M4 is a very capable little gaming machine if you go pro CPU, still half the cost of a 5090 !!
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You can pay by klarna on one of the food delivery apps (deliveroo i think) so its not really surprising.
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I agree. But I'm not happy with it, and won't be paying it. Some people are happy it seems. If we voted with our wallets it might change. But people won't deny themselves, so yeah, you're right.