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ATI First Again.

reflux said:
Now now lads, let's try and prevent this turning into this week's third graphics card flame-athon :)

From what I understood, ATi traditionally had better IQ, but things have got much more even in recent times. Personally I can't tell the difference.
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Yeah at the moment the quality is so similar the only differences can mostly be attributed to a placebo effect.
 
Lightnix said:
Yeah at the moment the quality is so similar the only differences can mostly be attributed to a placebo effect.
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Yawn. Seeing is believing.;)
You probably could not determine the difference in sound between a Squire or Fender Strat. Hard to put into words though it is there to the discerning.
 
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reflux said:
Now now lads, let's try and prevent this turning into this week's third graphics card flame-athon :)

From what I understood, ATi traditionally had better IQ, but things have got much more even in recent times. Personally I can't tell the difference.
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The only time I really notice a difference is when, on occasion, the odd game comes along where the graphical appearance looks night compared to day. Even then I say its down to personal preferences, styles preferred etc. One such game was Gears of War. I ran it on my 8800gtx and it looked crisp and quite bright, 'lighter' and very sharp. then my next card was a 4870. It also looked great but was much darker, moody looking, bolder, more console like. Another that caught my eyes was cod4 on the 360 and PS3.
 
jmc007 said:
Yawn. Seeing is believing.;)
You probably could not determine the difference in sound between a Squire or Fender Strat. Hard to put into words though it is there to the discerning.
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Totally different situation because with different guitar makes they're actively going for different tones, with graphics cards they're just trying to make it as close to what the games designers designed as possible.
 
I've never seen any IQ difference really between them.......well a difference, but not a better/worse thing, each would look subjectively better to someone. I believe ATI can do 24xAA vs NV's 32 (which is not really true 32 FWIW so 16 is the "true" NV max), but after reading a few threads on here recently it seems you have to cast spells to actually get the ATI CC to force AA onto games.....apparently for any given value you would like to set in CCC, you need to set a coresponding value in the game itself......can't say I ever done this so cannot verify, but I do know that a few games I tested on a 4850 recently did ignore the CCC setting (which you have to change by hand for each game, which I personally find silly and annoying, not much point having a computer if you have to do it;s work for it), so possibly I needed to do this, but it certainly wasn't mentioned in the manual with the card, or in any help files........hardly surprising, nobody has provided a decent manual since MS brainwashed the world into thinking you need to buy your manual.
 
Lightnix said:
Totally different situation because with different guitar makes they're actively going for different tones, with graphics cards they're just trying to make it as close to what the games designers designed as possible.
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But a Squire and a Fender Strat are trying as hard as possible to be the same thing.
His point is, that to the un-learned, they will sound the same. i.e. someone who isnt a musician or more specifically someone who isnt Fender Strat owner.

Also... I disagree with your second statement too... but I can't be bothered to explain myself becuase I'm busy eating a cake and drinking freshly ground coffee.
 
I have had Nvidia for a long time (4 years?) and I'm ready to swap to ATI, but its lacking things Nvidia has.

I don't know if ATI has Digital Vibrance, its own Physix system, the customise ability the Nvidia control panel has (i.e. setting different graphic profiles for games) and the performance.

I'm more then willing to give ATI my money, but until they drag there cards into 2010, then i cant see me doing it.
 
Teki187 said:
I have had Nvidia for a long time (4 years?) and I'm ready to swap to ATI, but its lacking things Nvidia has.

I don't know if ATI has Digital Vibrance, its own Physix system, the customise ability the Nvidia control panel has (i.e. setting different graphic profiles for games) and the performance.

I'm more then willing to give ATI my money, but until they drag there cards into 2010, then i cant see me doing it.
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ATI don't have digital vibrance, that said they do have gamma/colour controls, and a lot of people used to believe that the colour was richer on ATI cards anyway, in a sense they didn't need digital vibrance. Last I heard this being an issue was back in the series 7 cards though, as NV/ATI have both made improvements, and are now running 10bit, ATI were meant to be in the lead with this etc. Having owned an x1900xt and a 7series card, I dont think the difference was night and day unless you were picky.

RE: Physx, there are rumours they will eventually support it, they are also going with the now Intel owned Havok Physics, and ofc OpenCL over CUDA, so who knows where that will end.

Performance wise, when you consider the price to performance with NV, or the 1GHz stock cards for 4890s, they're pretty even, and just cater to difference price points in different ways. The 1Ghz 4890s are showing as faster than a GTX285 in a large percentage of games.

Games profiles can be done however I'll admit they're not quite as simple as NV, you basically have an option in the CCC to make profiles, these can be triggered to change by clicking a desktop icon, right clicking the CCC icon in the taskbar, button combo presses etc, when they're run they can also open a programme. So to get NV style settings what you do is make a profile for the game, save it as such with an appropriate name, link this profile to the exe/shortcut you want to run, and then open the game by either the new ATI profile desktop shortcut or by the CCC icon in taskbar. Not perfect, but it does work.
 
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Alexrose1uk said:
ATI don't have digital vibrance, that said they do have gamma/colour controls, and a lot of people used to believe that the colour was richer on ATI cards anyway, in a sense they didn't need digital vibrance. Last I heard this being an issue was back in the series 7 cards though, as NV/ATI have both made improvements, and are now running 10bit, ATI were meant to be in the lead with this etc.

RE: Physx, there are rumours they will eventually support it, they are also going with the now Intel owned Havok Physics, and ofc OpenCL over CUDA, so who knows where that will end.

Performance wise, when you consider the price to performance with NV, or the 1GHz stock cards for 4890s, they're pretty even, and just cater to difference price points in different ways. The 1Ghz 4890s are showing as faster than a GTX285 in a large percentage of games.



Games profiles can be done however I'll admit they're not quite as simple as NV, you basically have an option in the CCC to make profiles, these can be triggered to change by clicking a desktop icon, right clicking the CCC icon in the taskbar, button combo presses etc, when they're run they can also open a programme. So to get NV style settings what you do is make a profile for the game, save it as such with an appropriate name, link this profile to the exe/shortcut you want to run, and then open the game by either the new ATI profile desktop shortcut or by the CCC icon in taskbar. Not perfect, but it does work.
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ATI have Colour Vibrance for video.

Hue, saturation, colour temperature control ,Gamma, Brightness & Contrast for each channel for desktop, games & video.
 
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Alexrose1uk said:
Not seen that on mine but will take your word for it, I dont really feel the need for it.
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I don't play with them ether.

I do use the De-nosie & Edge-enhancement tho.

Hue,satur,colourtemp are in the Digital panel Avivo Colour menu
Gamma, Brightness & Contrast for each channel are in the Colour menu.

Colour Vibrance, flesh tone correction, De-nosie & Edge-enhancement are in the Avivo Video menu.
 
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I usually play with 16x AF and 8x MSAA....and in terms of image quality I can't really tell any difference between nvidia and ati cards and I've had pretty much all of the recent models excluding the gtx 285 and 275, and 4850x2.
 
Can you change the default colours on an ATI card? As going from an HD4850 to a gtx285 my colours do not look washed out now and everything looks better, regardless of framerates and AA. Is it because the gtx is a more expensive card that everything looks better?
 
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