ATI First Again.

[Alexrose1uk]

Yes you can change colour settings.

 

[boxman2000]

the price/performance of ati is better anyway.

Agreed, haven't gone for Nvidia for years

 

[thegoonden]

Can you change the default colours on an ATI card? As going from an HD4850 to a gtx285 my colours do not look washed out now and everything looks better, regardless of framerates and AA. Is it because the gtx is a more expensive card that everything looks better?

Nope, the basic video output stuff on any videocard accounts for less than 1% of the cost, it's very VERY basic stuff, but it is that and not the GPU or VRAM which determines the balancing of the output signal.

 

[AMG]

yes you can chance the colours on ATI cards, maybe yours was not set up yet it looks like it takes some time to do so mine looks bright and sharpe so don't know whats up there and I haven't messed about with the colour yet

i too haven't gone nvida since a FX5700 A. couldn't afford them I didn't have a job back than as i was still at school, so I always had ATI cards, would like to change that through if the boot fits

 

[LoadsaMoney]

You can turn up the Digital Vibrance, like you do on Nvidia cards.

 

[psychas]

just tho those people whom not believe i had 2900, 8800gts 512 , and now 4870.

when i went from 2900 to 8800gts 512 i noticed image quality is not so sharp. after when i got 4870 was better then 88gts.

how ever when i play games i preferred 8800gts 512 as i only played css and tf2. and advantages with 8800gts on css that u could see trough smoke much easier then with ati cards. and in tf 2 if u were waiting for serve slot , when minimized the game would not crash and with ati cards it stops responding. also if u minimize to few times while you play with ati card in tf 2 enemy will be come invisible.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Even if DX10 had been "properly" implemented with most of the features that "should" have been in there...

We barely have hardware capable of running those effects properly even now... and look how many developers even bother with token DX10 features let alone anything more, they aren't even scratching the surface of whats capable with DX10 now let alone what it could have been.

What are you talking about, complete nonsense again, Tesselation around since 2002, in consoles maybe, the first real use was ATi's first real dx10 part, had Nvidia not forced MS to change DX10 specs then Nvidia would have had to have a working tesselation unit and games makers could use it, they can't because its not in the DX10 spec, which means its hard to actually get any feature that uses it work as standard on any machine, infact it wouldn't work on anything but a small minority of machines, which means its simply not worth investing time in. DX10 as it is now, doesn't allow you to do much of anything, some better work with particles, removed overhead, clipping on transparent effects is about the limit and almost all games that use dx10 use it fully, dx10 as it stands right now can't really do much of anything else at all, the original dx10 spec(loosely what is dx10.1 now) offers a LOT of things to speed up the same things that can be done now. Look at Assasins creed, pretty hefty gains in performance, with the same quality, purely because it can use dx10.1, same hardware increases performance. Thats the part we're missing, if every dx10 game incorparted dx10.1 features then AMD would have almost every single game running faster in dx10.1 than dx9, as it was designed to do in the first place.

Companies spent years of effort making dx10 parts to their games, then at the last second Nvidia screwed them all by having half of the stuff they needed removed, and you have neutered dx10 games around offering little to no benefit. To say theres "barely hardware capable of running those effects" is utter crap. Firstly there are plenty of games that run the same fps in dx9 as dx10 with improved visuals. In many dx10 capable games you'll see things like smoke clouds that don't clip with walls/floors and look crap, but look great under dx10, with no framerate hit. But the main point is, most of these dx10 titles have smeg all in the engine that could actually take advantage of what was originally dx10 hardware, because it was gutted.


AS for ATi first again, that would be dx9, dx10.1, dx11, and they were only not first to dx10, because Nvidia had dx10 spec changed(aswell as TSMC screwing them on 65nm parts, as tsmc are screwing nvidia on 40nm parts, and 55nm parts), had Nvidia launched what was a REAL dx10 part, as the 8800 failed miserably to work with proper dx10, they would have needed a redesign, and wouldn't have been first.

Think ATI also had programmable shaders first , gddr5(and maybe 4), tesselation, still have far far superior memory compression.

I don't think theres much of a difference between either company at this second in time, performance wise you can't lose with any top end card, however, ATi are without question the reason Nvidia are selling their cards so cheap, and I can't thank ATi/AMD enough for that. Likewise their next gen will be a small core cheap design, its looking like Nvidias will be another massive and expensive die and the only reason Nvidia's next gen cards will be cheap is again, because of AMD.

 

[Rroff]

What are you talking about, complete nonsense again, Tesselation around since 2002, in consoles maybe, the first real use was ATi's first real dx10 part

ATI's first generation tessellation came out in 2002 with TruForm.

, had Nvidia not forced MS to change DX10 specs then Nvidia would have had to have a working tesselation unit and games makers could use it, they can't because its not in the DX10 spec, which means its hard to actually get any feature that uses it work as standard on any machine, infact it wouldn't work on anything but a small minority of machines, which means its simply not worth investing time in.

Most of the game development industry "greats" say that tessellation is not the direction they would choose for their games... you can find quotes of this online - and I know of only 2 studios that are actively interested in developing games using it at this time - both of which are deep in ATI's pockets.

Companies spent years of effort making dx10 parts to their games, then at the last second Nvidia screwed them all by having half of the stuff they needed removed, and you have neutered dx10 games around offering little to no benefit.

From that statement you appear to know a limited amount about game design and development... no mainstream developer spends years of their time developing for an API thats not even release/standardised and I can say from my experience of video game development* that very very few developers have put much effort or time into DX10 functionality.

* Aside from my own work within this field, mostly level design, I was also involved in the activision visioneers program which amongst other things means I've had day to day hands on experience with the development of a good number of major game titles released over the last few years - giving me a good insight into what went into the development of these games and I can tell you very little time was spent on DX10.

To say theres "barely hardware capable of running those effects" is utter crap. Firstly there are plenty of games that run the same fps in dx9 as dx10 with improved visuals. In many dx10 capable games you'll see things like smoke clouds that don't clip with walls/floors and look crap, but look great under dx10, with no framerate hit. But the main point is, most of these dx10 titles have smeg all in the engine that could actually take advantage of what was originally dx10 hardware, because it was gutted.

Theres very little hardware on the market today that could have powered those "gutted" features at an acceptable framerate at a useful level.

Think ATI also had programmable shaders first , gddr5(and maybe 4), tesselation, still have far far superior memory compression.

Meanwhile they missed out on SM3 - which developers actually were intrested in - instead trying to push TruForm and 3Dc which developers weren't really interested in - we could have had games like bioshock upto 2 years earlier if ATI had been on the ball. nVidia cards seem to manage quite nicely on DDR3 as well.

 

[Jono8]

There seems to have been some serious red army recruitment on this forum recently

 

[Rroff]

There seems to have been some serious red army recruitment on this forum recently

I love the way they all act like they are "neutral" and your the big fanboy - meanwhile ignoring everything positive or neutral you might say about ATI and trolling every single bad point you might say about ATI.

By the way they behave you'd think they were actually ashamed of owning an ATI card - which by the way there is no reason to be.

 

[RizlaKing]

I am not technical enough to go into any depth on the whole who did what with dx10 so i won't and save myself looking a prat . As far as image quality goes i am not sure anyone with either make of card can categorically state theirs is better because it is such a subjective issue and what is good for one person might be bad for another.

I really don't think any of these points is worth getting worked up over or for launching any attacks on either company. I was miffed by the whole assassins creed patch episode and that has seriously coloured me a little negative towards nvidia but not to the point i will constantly argue it.

 

[Final8y]

I love the way they all act like they are "neutral" and your the big fanboy - meanwhile ignoring everything positive or neutral you might say about ATI and trolling every single bad point you might say about ATI.

By the way they behave you'd think they were actually ashamed of owning an ATI card - which by the way there is no reason to be.

Put aside that complex you have.

No one has said anything about being neutral or singled out any side of being fanboys in this thread except you.

 

[Rroff]

Put aside that complex you have.

No one has said anything about being neutral or singled out any side of being fanboys in this thread except you.

I see you just have something personally against me, rather than the content of my opinion as such.

 

[Rroff]

I am not technical enough to go into any depth on the whole who did what with dx10 so i won't and save myself looking a prat . As far as image quality goes i am not sure anyone with either make of card can categorically state theirs is better because it is such a subjective issue and what is good for one person might be bad for another.

I really don't think any of these points is worth getting worked up over or for launching any attacks on either company. I was miffed by the whole assassins creed patch episode and that has seriously coloured me a little negative towards nvidia but not to the point i will constantly argue it.

I use 3 PCs here connected to the same display via a KVM...

One is a laptop with a mobile ATI Radeon card
One has an 8800GT
One a 260GTX SLI setup

The 260GTX overall has the best image quality imo - the 10bit color processing really shines. The ATI looks a bit neater in some areas and has a nice color balance, but overall I prefer the nVidia look. The 8800GT looks quite dull and nothing like as sharp as the other 2 - but I wouldn't even notice it if I wasn't switching instantly between cards on the same display.

The whole assassins creed thing was pretty rough - although I can understand the reason nVidia did it as far as business sense went.

 

[Final8y]

I see you just have something personally against me, rather than the content of my opinion as such.

I decided to sit back on this thread so that you could not use me as an excuse for making the very comment that you made before this one.

You have been playing that everyone else pretends that they are neutral stand now for a few threads which can be seen right through.

people can tell who are neutral by what they post over time & what they focus on & how often when a choice between positive & negative are available & what thread it is in.

 

[Rroff]

nm

 

[Final8y]

You seem to have some illusion that I'm referring to you in many of my posts - do you maybe have 6-7 accounts using different names on here that you use to troll me? (I'm not seriously thinking you do) as I have several people in mind as a collective when I make these statements.

You are way off if you thought for one instance that i thought anything of what you said referred to me in this thread.

All i see is a patten of people disagreeing with you & then after a while the fanyboy,troll, neutral references appear in your comments because people don't see things they way you do.

The account part is worrying as you think that its not possible for others other than me to disagree with you so they all must be me.

 

[willhub]

Rroff, I think you come across as a hardcore NV Fanboy, don't ask me for any in depth explanations, that's just what I think as it really does appear it from this and other threads.

 

[Rroff]

Rroff, I think you come across as a hardcore NV Fanboy, don't ask me for any in depth explanations, that's just what I think as it really does appear it from this and other threads.

I don't doubt people get this impression and I've never denied that I favor nVidia somewhat over ATI. However for some reason people seem to equate it to being a rabid nVidia fanboy out to attack ATI at every turn... which even a simple search will show to be untrue.

EDIT: Heres 4 out of the last 8-9 forums posts I've made:

(On comparing a 4850 at £75) "With the 9800GT at £80 and 250GTS at £85+ its a hard sell to buy an nVidia card at that level. (Tho I would still personally but thats another matter)."

"If you don't really do any gaming then I'd get either an ATI 4650/4670 or an nVidia 9500GT."

"Aslong as you have the space that passive 4670 is a decent card - I'm tempted to put one in my media PC as nVidia don't have any decent cards with native HDMI except some 295GTX models and I think they would be a little overkill for a media PC "

"4760 should be fine on a 300watt PSU aslong as the rest of the system isn't crazy... they aren't bad little cards either at that. Good for media PCs and light to medium gaming - a massive improvement on the 7300."

I ask you... does this look like the posting of a hardcore NV fanboy???

 

[Tute]

Rroff, I think you come across as a hardcore NV Fanboy, don't ask me for any in depth explanations, that's just what I think as it really does appear it from this and other threads.

I agree with this. But there are several who post on these forums like it.