** ATi X1k/HD 3k series overclocking guide - ATi Tray Tools and ATi Tool + FAQ **

[FreeStream]

Just tried the omega and the ati tool and i am pretty sure i am not doing something correctly as i managed to hang my system and i haven't even gone to overclocking yet. It kinda shocked me that i uninstalled drivers and everything else. But like i said it probably something i haven't done correct as it been ok for everyone else.

Got it all working back with standard 6.5 +ccc again but it left me thinking why am i doing this when everything works perfectly.

2 things that come to mind that could have been the issue

1. With ati tool. I had set it to start on startup and load on default my 3d profile i created automatically and then switch itself off from the system tray. I presume that ok??? This way the 3d profile is always on on startup, should this be ok? or should you really only load 3d profile if your going just about to go into a app/game that requires it???

2. I had set the following into my 3d profile when using atitool "Then go to Voltages and set: 1.4/2.089/2.089/1.487" they seemed a good bit higher than the stock volts on the default profile. can anyone clarify??

should i have uninstalled CCC as i did have it loaded but it no profiles or anything loaded at all.

Cheers

1.1V is 2D voltage, if you want to get to 3D speeds then you WILL need those voltages.

3D detection works fine for me now as I have setg a 105Mhz PCi-E speed. I would have a 300/400 2D speed with 1/1.9/1.9/1.400V as it uses 50% of the power of stock 2D and 2D -> 3D is fine, even at my overclocked settings



Its really weird you are having problems with ATi Tool, using Beta 14 etc?

 

[FreeStream]

Hmmm well I am confused. After a lot of tinkering and numerous freezes I seem to have hit a brick wall.

I have got the card to 690/810 and well thats it.

Now here is where I get confused individually I can get the core and the memory up much higher. Yet together I can't. I must be missing something.

What is the VDDCI?! I note in the first page and on other sites it is reccomended to be between 1.55 and 1.58volts?! Surely this is too high as mine is 1.486v at the moment.

This is the main bit that is confusing me. If someone wouldn't mind answering this I would be very gratefull as I would love to be pushing much higher than I am and I know the card can do it.

Well many forums I have seen said it improves mem clocking ability, it certainly did for me adding 30+mhz onto the mem.

Having it at 1.58 is fine according to everythings i've seen.

Keep the temps in check and have 2D/3D profiles and I see now reason why it would break

YOu don't need to shove it up to max now anyway. Just keep raising it until it doesn't do anything more

 

[FreeStream]

Thanks for posting the guide Conc

I've managed to overclock my HIS X1900XT to XTX speeds (650/775) using ATI Tool. I disabled the two services (ATI Poller and ATI Smart as was mentioned in the guide). I ran 3DMark05 and achieved a score of 11,600 using these clocks - I take it this is a decent score for XTX stock clocks (650/775) ?

I also tried overclocking in CCC to see what results I would get using that (disabled ATI Tool too and renabled to two services & rebooted) and got a score of just 10,300 with the clocks set to 650/775 in CCC. Shouldn't I get a similar score to that of when I use ATI Tool (11,600) ?

Thanks for any help in advance

CCC loosens mem timings, ATi Tool does not.

11.5k is an perfect score at Xt-X clock speeds.

Now, give it some beans and overclock



Edit:

I'm having trouble with getting ATI Tool to actually do what i'm setting it to do.

I have 3 profiles set up, one for 2D, one at stock 3D and one overclocked 3D. I've set ATI tool up so it should start up on start up of windows and load the 2D profile. I've also set it so it should load the 3D stock profile on detection of a 3D app, which is fine, but my problem is it keeps loading the 3D stock profile from startup. It's like the start up settings just don't work.

Any ideas?

Hmm, either its not 2D that its loading or the 2D clocks are 3D clocks.

Load each profile in turn making sure voltages, fan speeds and clocks are correct. Then change statup to 3D, save, then back to 2D then save then restart.



Edit 2:

Meh to these useless ATI Tray tools, they don't work, and don't change whenever in 3D mode.

Why can't a overclocking feature be included with the Omega drivers? 2D and for 3D modes? ATI CCC is far better apart from slow down upon boot.

When done right ATi Tool works perfectly. W1zzard (Ati Tools creator) is updating the program now to use the ATi 3D changes but make it not loosen mem timings.

ATi Tool > *

 

[FreeStream]

Cor blimey Conc that was quick

Thanks for the reply mate.

Don't really understand why people use CCC if it loosens memory timings Obviously you would need to raise the clocks significantly higher in CCC to achieve the same performance with lower clocks in ATI Tool.... each to their own I guess

Also, I don't have a dual screen so cannot use another screen to check the 3D Detection has worked and '3D Stock' profile (which is at XTX speeds) has been activated, so instead I use the 'Play Sound' option in 3D Detection - have you used this before? The sound plays when playing BF2, meaning 3D Detection worked, but no sound with Tomb Raider Legend. So i have to force the 3D Stock profile it in that. Bit of a pain in the backside if I have to do that all the time.

Aye, some games ATi Tool doesn't pick up. Therefore you can force it in the 3D dection panel at the bottom IIRC (I haven't got a PC to check atm ) Doing all this from memory






Im going to be updating this guide later people, any additions you would like to see? Ill expand this to X1800/X1900/X1950 aswell as they all follow the same kind of system.

CR.

 

[FreeStream]

Right, updated. I think thats everything.


Could a passing mod edit the title to the one I have set please and then sitcky it?

Thanks

 

[FreeStream]

Crossfire isnt supported in ATI Tool which is why some of us require CCC

It is I think. You have to select the card your working on from the IDs in the settings page.

 

[FreeStream]

Sorted

Cheers m8y, my first sticky!!!

 

[FreeStream]

Chore free x1900 oc

install latest rivatuner
set clocks u want
job done

CCC overclocking, well done for lower mem timings.

Overclocking needs time. IT WILL WORK IF DONE CORRECTLY.

Follow my guide to the letter and you will be fine.

Reinstall of windows with Omegas 99% sorts everything.

Also disabling services is a must for Beta 14 and under and beta 15 MUST have the services running. Also B15 is in the "alpha" stage.

Ill be getting my HiS Ice-Q XT-X soon. Yummy

 

[FreeStream]

Designed for 100+ but they all fall over at over 80/90C

Try and keep it as low as possible

 

[FreeStream]

Updated for ATi Tray Tools as its better.. lol

 

[FreeStream]

Hey Concorde Rules, thanks for the guide, but i've a question, did the exact same thing as u wrote and did a 2D and 3D profile, but seems like after sometime of usage, the profile will change to one of my profile that is set to the default clock speed of the card, 500/594..

How can i solve this?

Certain videos and games, even with the ATi services disabled cause clock changes.

If you have a low power 2D like we have the it will ramp it up to stock 2D when you open/play a game/video. Same with 3D clocks, you have to alt-tab out and reset the clocks.

CR.

 

[FreeStream]

oh okie, hmm but is it okie for the card to keep having the clock changed? will there be any effects to the card?


hmm also when sometimes after the speed went to default 500, i set it back to the 2D profile, and the system appears black screen..
What could be wrong?

Black screen or corruption = not enough volts for that clock speed.

And no, there won't be any damage changing clocks.

 

[FreeStream]

oh okie, hmm may i know whats the maximum safe voltage to use?

3D on stock cooler is 1.45V, 1.5V on the HIS IceQ Cooler.

2D try and keep it under 1.2V

 

[FreeStream]

how about for mem voltage?

btw you mentioned that " Same with 3D clocks, you have to alt-tab out and reset the clocks." what do you mean by this?

hmm was playing bf2 just now with 621/725 and after i ended the game, i found that the clock was set back to 500/594, is this what you are talking about?

Whats the reason of it going back to the default speed? so i cant game throughout with the overclocked speed?

When a game or video starts the ATI drivers FORCE the clock change, even with the services disabled, the ATT programmer is working on a way to avoid this.

All you have to do is alt-tab back out once at the main screen in BF2 and load the correct clocks.

CR.

Edit: Mem voltage, 1.9-2.2V Is safe on air, stock is 2.089V

 

[FreeStream]

oh, so its not setting the clock before i enter the game, but to set it after i enter the game, is that right? Will give it a try later on.. Thanks =)

Ok here goes:

Your 2D clocks --> Game starts --> ATT sets your 3D clocks --> ATi drivers set stock 2D clocks --> game continues at stock 2D until software/you change them again.

 

[FreeStream]

Hmm after i start the game, my ATT will auto set to 3D clocks which is 500/594? then after that, the drivers will set back to the 2D?? 402/477???

Sorry for the noobs questions, just switched from nvidia to ati..

No.

Stock 2D: 500/600
Stock 3D: 625/725 for X1900XT (650/775 for XTX).

Your 2D: 402/477
Your 3D: ???/???


So this is what happens.

402/477 -- game starts att sets YOUR 3D clocks--> ???/??? -- ati drivers force it back to 500/600. This is how it stays until you change them back to 2D or 3D.

 

[FreeStream]

hm, if i were to run 3dmark, the settings will stay right?

3D Mark is one of few 3D programs which do not suffer from the ATi drivers forced 2D clocks.

So if you set the clocks, launch the program, run the test and it won't change.

 

[FreeStream]

hey i have a Sapphire ATI Radeon X1950 XT 256MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail

can someone give me a hand on overclocking this bit confused with the 2d and 3d clocks also lol

does anyone have the same card?

X1950XTX STILL isn' supported by the creator, slacking tbh

 

[FreeStream]

Try 1.45V GPU.

 

[FreeStream]

what about mem?

Should be ok at 2.086, as thats the cards stock.

Keep mem at 725 for the moment.