ATI's R600 is on track for Q4

Antx777 · 13 Jun 2006 at 13:50

Should surface sometime in October or November they say.

....""We also hear the R600 won't need a master card so you will be able to plug a pair of them and they will work

... ATI is not hiding the fact its R600 does Shader Model 4.0 and is fully DirectX 10 compatible

Source The Inq

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fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 13:54

They also fail to acknowledge the fact that no games will take advantage of it's DX10 compatibility until atleast next summer. Such a waste of money buying one, pure willy waving.

Goksly · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:00

will still be their fastest DX9 card though.... very future proof card etc. if your upgrading around that time, will most likely be the best solution.

Are some people under the impression that the DX10 cards wont be able to play DX9 cards - cos thats very... very wrong.

Darkwave · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:01

fenderbass86 said:
They also fail to acknowledge the fact that no games will take advantage of it's DX10 compatibility until atleast next summer. Such a waste of money buying one, pure willy waving.

It's just marketing, and it's no different from how Nvidia fapped over Shader Model 3.0 even on low-end Geforce 6 cards which can't run it properly, even though it's still not used much at all.

Hats off to ATi for finally getting rid of the whole master card thing though.

PS. Why do people still read The Inquirer? :confused:

ViRuS2k · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:02

thats my next card

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:13

What a waste of DX10, what is the point in that, why bother when you not gona have anything to use it for for about 6 months or so, just stick to your DX9 card you've already got, might as well as the R600 is only running the same games, you have DX9 now so why bother.

Goksly · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:25

LoadsaMoney said:
you have DX9 now so why bother.

1) end of year new games comes out.
2) some chump has a 9800.... has been thinking of upgrading for a while.
3) looks at market - which is the fastest card for dx9 games... oh a dx10 card.
4) card purchased.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:30

Goksly said:
1) end of year new games comes out.
2) some chump has a 9800.... has been thinking of upgrading for a while.
3) looks at market - which is the fastest card for dx9 games... oh a dx10 card.
4) card purchased.

1) fair enough
2) He'll need a new motherboard as well (pci-e from AGP), maybe a new CPU, then maybe new memory if going AM2 aswell as the new gfx card.
3) And also a total rip off, wait for the prices to cool off.
4) And bank broke.

Goksly · 13 Jun 2006 at 14:44

ok ok... X800XL (PCI-E)

I also think that the ATI parts are going to be cheap as nvidia will probably be the performance leader when they improve the 2-in-1 card formations. as the 7950 shows, they havent increased the price much despite adding the extra gpu on.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 15:57

fenderbass86 said:
1) fair enough
2) He'll need a new motherboard as well (pci-e from AGP), maybe a new CPU, then maybe new memory if going AM2 aswell as the new gfx card.
3) And also a total rip off, wait for the prices to cool off.
4) And bank broke.

Yeah then have to spend yet another £400+ for another DX10 card as the DX10 stuff has finally started appearing, but 6-7 months after he bought his first DX10 card.

If you have a low end card/medium etc... then yeah R600 would be a good upgrade, but anyone who is going to upgrade from an x1900/7900 GTX must be totally bonkers, as the R600 is running exaclty the sames games their already running, they will look identical, oh look my GTX/x1900 is getting over 70 fps maxed out in this game, damn gona have to get an R600 with its worthless DX10 feature, and use its DX9 (as DX10 is months away yet so as i said DX10 on this card is worthless) feature so i can run the same games, exactly the same, gfx etc... i.e identical to what as i was playing yesterday, but today ill be getting say 80fps or so instead, yup well worth £400+ that is.

Reminds me of the 6800 SM3.0 all over again.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 16:09

Exactly my point, what game you running btw?

*edit - What's wrong with a 6800?

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LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 16:19

Nothing at alls wrong with a 6800, apart from it had a worthless SM3.0 feature.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 16:35

Very true.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 16:46

Yeah the SM3.0 games never flooded out then, mind you i dont think they are even flooding today, and how old are the 6 series now, and now were coming onto SM4.0, they are having a laugh, what is the point of releasing cards with worthless features, its for money that all it is, they know they can suck you into buying a R600 for £400+ for DX10, and then when DX10 stuff starts to appear, you have to go out and spend yet another £400+ as your R600 is old hat and can't run em well, Dx10 is gona be wasted on that card if it comes out then, even Vista's next yer lol.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 17:01

I actually chose a 6800 over an X800 cause I wanted the SM3.0 for Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, but it doesn't really help. I should've gone for raw speed (back then anyway). What exactly will SM4.0 bring to the table over SM3.0? I'm gonna venture a guess and say, nothing at all. Just like you said, it looks good on paper so people will pay more without realising the reality that it works to little or no effect.

You're right that not many games took advantage of SM3.0, but introducing SM4.0 is so premature when more games are only just starting to use SM3.0.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 17:52

I really don't see the point in releasing it in October, unless DX10 games work on Windows XP, if not then your gona have to wait months anyway for the operating system (Vista) to be released so you can use em, so why bother releasing the card. :confused:

Yup its embedded in Vista, so even if they released a few DX10 games at the same time as the card, you still can't use em for months as you need Vista, ******* hilarious.

Rick_Barnes · 13 Jun 2006 at 18:49

i remember owning my 6800GT, far cry's HDR patch came out, i eagerly installed it, and blamed HDR for being evil when my framerates plummeted.

With new features like DX10 and SM4, how do you know you wont need the next product refresh to 'propperly impliment' them?

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 19:18

LoadsaMoney said:
but anyone who is going to upgrade from an x1900/7900 GTX must be totally bonkers, as the R600 is running exaclty the sames games their already running, they will look identical, oh look my GTX/x1900 is getting over 70 fps maxed out in this game, damn gona have to get an R600 with its worthless DX10 feature, and use its DX9 (as DX10 is months away yet so as i said DX10 on this card is worthless) feature so i can run the same games, exactly the same, gfx etc... i.e identical to what as i was playing yesterday, but today ill be getting say 80fps or so instead, yup well worth £400+ that is.

not what you were saying with the gtx 2 7950.
You said that card was a steal at 400 and it was a good upgrade from an x1900/7900gtx.

LoadsaMoney said:
GTX is walloped in games, the GX2 is a stonking card, and that price is a steal,

and yet the gtx 7950 does not get that much of increase in games.

:confused:

so why is the r600 not a good upgrade?
It will be faster than the x1900 regardless of its DX 10 features or not.

You seem to change your mind about things on a regular basis :confused:

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:04

What the hell are you on about. :confused:

You think its worth getting a DX10 card in October when you can't use DX10 till next year when vista comes out, its a waste. :confused:

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:08

LoadsaMoney said:
What the hell are you on about.

You think its worth getting a DX10 card in October when you can't use DX10 till next year when vista comes out, its a waste.

The DX 10 bit is irrelevant.

You think the r600 is not worth it but a 7950 is.

I think getting a DX 10 card is pointless too for £400 as the features cannot be used for some time.

But regardless of this it will still be faster than a 7900 GTX x1900XTX in dx9 games.Just like the 7950.