ATI's R600 is on track for Q4

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:33

LoadsaMoney said:
DX10 isnt important, but ppl are going to get sucked into DX10, buy a 7950 in October, its gona be a lot cheaper than it is now, and will be cheaper till DX10 is able to be used.

I think people will buy it because it will be the fastest card out there.
The smart people that enjoy top end hardware will still get the card knowing full well that they cannot utilise the dx 10 features.

They will just enjoy the fact that they have the fastest performance in DX 9 games.Just like the current 7950 owners now.

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:34

Exsomnis said:
Might come at a silly premium though.

I cant see it being anymore than £410 as thats what the current top end cards cost.

And these will plummit on the R600 release.

Jack Bauer · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:34

Not sure if I will get one or not yet, however I will consider it for no other reson that the loss of resale value of DX9 cards once vista arrives. Plus I just like new hardware and will wont one as soon as possible..

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:36

Jack Bauer said:
Not sure if I will get one or not yet, however I will consider it for no other reson that the loss of resale value of DX9 cards once vista arrives. Plus I just like new hardware and will wont one as soon as possible..

Yeah getting a DX 10 capable card is not rational as in that we can use the DX 10 features.

Its about having the top end hardware at that moment in time.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:37

easyrider said:
The whole point is that the R600 will be the fastest card on the market regardless of DX 10.

I know, but ppl are going to be fooled into buying it as its DX10.

If you want to Upgrade to it for DX9 then go for it, but for DX10 don't as it can't be used till next year.

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:39

LoadsaMoney said:
I know, but ppl are going to be fooled into buying it as its DX10.

People who buy into the lastest hardware will know about the DX 10 limitations at that moment in time.

Like I said earlier, I think people will buy it because it will be the fastest card out there.

The smart people that enjoy top end hardware will still get the card knowing full well that they cannot utilise the dx 10 features.

They will just enjoy the fact that they have the fastest performance in DX 9 games.Just like the current 7950 owners now.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:43

As i said, if your want to upgrade to it for DX9 then yeah it will be a good upgrade, just don't get sucked into all the DX10 SM4.0, unified shaders etc.... as you'll be dissapointed, its worth an upgrade from a DX9 point of view yes, but don't get one just because its DX10 as that can't be used on it till next year, just like ppl got sucked into getting the 6 series for SM3.0, a lot of ppl were dissapointed then.

I can't see R600 coming out as the fastest DX9 card available etc... etc... its gona be DX10 this, DX10 that, and some ppl will be sucked in.

easyrider · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:45

LoadsaMoney said:
As i said, if your want to upgrade to it for DX9 then yeah it will be a good upgrade, just don't get sucked into all the DX10 SM4.0, unified shaders etc.... as you'll be dissapointed, its worth an upgrade from a DX9 point of view yes, but don't get one just because its DX10 as that can't be used on it till next year, so you may as well stick with what you have.

But thats like saying that its not worth upgrading to a 7950 from a 7900 GTX/X1900XTX.

This upgrade offers no new features,Just raw power.

Just like the R600,none of the features can be used at that moment in time so people will just buy it for its raw DX 9 performance.

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:51

It is worth upgrading to the 7950, and the R600 if you know the R600 is still a DX9 card, but the R600 is gona be DX10 hyped to the max, and ppl will fall into the trap and buy it for all those hyped DX10 features that can't be used for months like as i said above the 6 series and their hyped SM3.0.

I remember when the threads were which card x800 XT PE, or 6800 Ultra, and all the fanboys were screaming 6800 Ultra as its got SM3.0, but the x800 XT PE was the faster card, and look what happened, SM3.0 on the 6 series was pointless, yet still ppl bought it in their droves for that feature, and thats whats gona happen with R600, it will be bought in droves for the DX10 features as they are gone be pimped to the max, so yet again ppl are going to be dissapointed, as when the DX10 stuff appears they'll be **** i bought this card for DX10 months ago, and now ive gota get another one to run the stuff.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 20:59

Time to wrap it up folks:

R600:

Damn fast for DX9
Premature for vista release and DX10 games

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:01

fenderbass86 said:
Time to wrap it up folks:

R600:

Damn fast for DX9
Premature for vista release and DX10 games

Agreed, for DX9 get it, if you want it for DX10 don't, wait for the next one as DX10 is next year.

Richdog · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:02

The R600 will be no different to any other release, and can even be compared to the A64. On release the A64 supported a non-existant 64-bit, with the advantage that it ran 32-bit apps like a demon. Didn't stop anyone from rushing out and buying it.

I think every new hardware release at the dawn of a new tech is the same... runs old code VERY fast and the new code... alright. Future releases based on that tech then improve on the new code until the cycle is repeated.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:04

You're too late, we've wrapped it up now!

But a valid point none the less.

Naffa · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:24

I don't want to cause a massive argument again..

But I would consider the R600 a worthy upgrade (at time of release) for someone whos back on say a GeForce6 or an X800 series ATI card. As it will play games now like a beast and will (for once) actually be future proof.. The only thing that would make me think otherwise is the G80. If this is released closer to the time of Vista and when various other DX10 features can be used, and is faster.. Then I'd hold off untill then.

But I just don't see the argument against purchasing it.. I mean fair enough, it won't be able to be harnessed at the time of release.. But some people my savour the fact they actually have a future proofed card :eek:

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Ah well.. If you want to buy it.. Then do. But if you don't, then don't

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fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:28

naffa said:
I don't want to cause a massive argument again..

But I would consider the R600 a worthy upgrade (at time of release) for someone whos back on say a GeForce6 or an X800 series ATI card. As it will play games now like a beast and will (for once) actually be future proof.. The only thing that would make me think otherwise is the G80. If this is released closer to the time of Vista and when various other DX10 features can be used, and is faster.. Then I'd hold off untill then.

But I just don't see the argument against purchasing it.. I mean fair enough, it won't be able to be harnessed at the time of release.. But some people my savour the fact they actually have a future proofed card .

Ah well.. If you want to buy it.. Then do. But if you don't, then don't .

Exactly what LoadsaMoney and myself were talking about.

LoadsaMoney said:
Agreed, for DX9 get it, if you want it for DX10 don't, wait for the next one as DX10 is next year.

Naffa · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:32

But if someones building a new PC at the end of this year/beginning of next with their Christmas money.. Then they're going to want the best hardware available... This (to me) would be a sensible card to purchase at that time. Because it will be the best. R600 with a Conroe - Sound good? :cool:

But ah well.. I know I won't be getting one...

LoadsaMoney · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:35

Yeah its worth an upgrade from a DX9 point of view, but ppl will get sucked into the DX10 hype, its gona be pimped as a DX10 next gen card, when really its only a faster DX9 card, and ppl will buy it in their droves as that a DX10 next gen card, just like they bought the 6 series of cards for SM3.0, as i said x800 XT PE faster than the Ultra, but eveyone was slagging off the x8 series just for that one pointless feature, and saying just get the 6 series card as its got SM3.0, wasn't worth it though was it.

fenderbass86 · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:38

naffa said:
But if someones building a new PC at the end of this year/beginning of next with their Christmas money.. Then they're going to want the best hardware available... This (to me) would be a sensible card to purchase at that time. Because it will be the best. R600 with a Conroe - Sound good?

But ah well.. I know I won't be getting one...

In this case it's worth it as it's an entirely new pc your talking about, but just as a new gfx card on it's own then I wouldn't but it's your money at the end of the day.

TLJester1 · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:42

Another point missed is that it is good to get tech to market (DX10), without a userbase no developer will aim to use it. Look at AMD and 64bit chips, they came out and still there is nothing you need them for, even Vista has a 32bit version ! but at least it pushed for x64 and Vista 64 to be made, and also Intel to jump on the bandwaggon.
I for one am happy that ATI/nVidia are making these DX10 cards, I like that rather then just make another faster dx9 card, they have increased the feature set AND improved on their current high end range. I cant wait for Mastercard-less crosfire, and blistering fast DX9 games, also hope their Hi-Def processing gets added too.

speeduk · 13 Jun 2006 at 21:58

A lot of squabbling for nothing.

When the 9700pro came out it was ahead of its time and had features that no other card supported and yet it was a success because of its raw performance and future compatability.

How the heck do you know the R600 will not be able to do DX10 features at good framerates?

Honestly the arguing here is pointless really because you are either saying the R600 will be pointless even though you have no idea how good it will be (or bad).

Bottom line is it will be a fast card that supports future DX10 stuff.