ATX in Silverstone's ITX RVZ 03- ***full water and dual 240's ??

[orbitalwalsh]

Love all this custom stuff! Great work!

one issue im hitting- not sure as airflow isn't set up. Black screen and system crash with middle fan shooting to 100% speed.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Hmmm, from gaming or just idling? Under what circumstances does it do this?

just idle . fine before I took out of old system into new.

I have a feeling might have damaged PCIe cable a little due to taking out the card and case so many times whilst modding . do plan on getting a new cable once everything is in place

 

[orbitalwalsh]

That PCIe cable has taken a lot of punishment over the past couple of months - didn't look particular healthy in one of the pics(?). Your gut feeling may be correct.

Sob story email to Silverstone, they've been great with support to date?

Been great but PCIe bracket was cooler master vertical mount kit, so need another one to use that cable for its mounting points to the bracket etc

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Ah, forgot about that neat work around - direct appropriate 'worded tears' towards them, you never know

These extra bits are starting to mount up :/

Aye, least I had them to start with . Didn't account for having to get the Eisbaer LT, but alpha sent the low profile parts . could have used silent loop version butight meant I can use one silent wing 3 fan

 

[orbitalwalsh]

#shouldvejustgoneitx

can do . But I have 3 NVMe (dont have to pay for samsung gear ) . also triple slot GPU still would have had issues fitting in standard stock

also- thinking of hinging the side panel as a door!

how 11/8mm compression look against low profile 12.7/7.5mm server purpose compression fittings



looks matches the rad very nicely too



"shortie got low low low!"


will have to get some snaps of the TPV tubing, very tight bend radius which is a HUGE plus !

lunch time sort out. worked out can have the temp sensor mounted.... yet ! will clash with Heatsink or ram

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Crikey that's thin!

The 12.7/7.5mm tubing is impressive . Will upload pics tomorrow

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@Plec @tamzzy @AVCaseMods

240mm is in!!!! (just not filled yet)



Kids were put to bed and whilst waiting for them to knock off next door- assembly ! Tubes were measured longer so could see how it would fit in the case and trim down


Used the curve from the tubing in the packaging to my advantage - literally the tubing layout , spirals to the Core


"shortie got low low low"


does she work first time ?


nope...

In the case and could see trimming would be needed ! key issue- the height of @8 Pack / Team Groups xtreme range . Normally use sets of the 8 Pack Dark as they are lower and can be lowered - really hope you put together a 4000hz version ! Think I might have to rip off the Heatsinks


Tubing lengths to long top and bottom ( always set your tubing longer then cut down shorter )



like a Cat, If I fits I sits ! (Again Plec my parenting skills, 4 and 2 yr old left to feed themselves breakfast this morning whilst im on the floor near by... one of them needed a new top ...)


Now.... Im thinking of Hinging the Side panel to make a nice swing out door . firstly just easier and secondly I would tired of having to screw the panel in/out/in/out etc
If I was smart I could cut either Metal or Acrylic panel cut to full size with venting holes and rad mounts cut out ....


Slight bulge at the top in the middle - tubing might be catching on ram a little higher- before mounting to panel it was within the chassis by 3-4mm


Fan issues. I've realised the stock fans are actually slower 1500rpm versions of ones listed on Silverstonetek website (black frame, white blades) and ARGB version, these are 2000rpm.

19dB vs 23dB / 35CFM vs 55CFM and then static pressure of 0.8 vs 1.5

 

[orbitalwalsh]

The stock fans are the noisiest part of the build. The motor isn't the best. If you want to change them, the prolimatech isn't a bad shout.

http://www.prolimatech.com/en/products/detail.asp?id=2722&subid=2729#showtab

Dimension 120 x 120 x 15mm
Bearing Double Ball Bearing
Net Weight 91g
Fan Speed PWM 400 ~ 1300 RPM
Noise Level 7~17 dBA
Airflow 56 CFM
Connector 4 PIN PWM
Rated Voltage : 12 V
Rated Current : 0.12 Max. Amp
Input Power : 1.44 W
Input Current : 0.12 Max. Amp
MTBF : 100,000 h / 35℃ or 60,000 h / 60℃
Static Pressure : 0.9 mmH2O

Alt fan if i wanted to throw money at h***ers

https://noctua.at/en/nf-a12x15-pwm

Size :120x120x15 mm
Connector & pin-configuration :4-pin PWM
Bearing :SSO2
Blade geometry: A-Series with Flow Acceleration Channels
Frame technology :AAO (Advanced Acoustic Optimisation)
Rotational speed (+/- 10%) :1850 RPM
Min. rotational speed (PWM, +/-20%) :450 RPM
Airflow : 94,2 m³/h /55 CFM
Acoustical noise : 23,9 dB(A)
Static pressure :1,53 mm H₂O

Silverstones ARGB
https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=829&bno=56&tb=101&area=en

Speed 2000 rpm
Airflow 32.6CFM
Static Pressure 1.52mmH2O
Noise Level 23.5dBA

Prolimatech looks good, they have a Steep angle of attack on fan blades for Airflow then Silverstone and Noctua with a shallow angle - but looks like it matches default fan's dB and Static but that AIRFLOW!

Technically
- when a fan is in PULL then AIRFLOW is the determining factor . If in Push then Static

ones that are default in RVZ03

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/silverstone-sst-fn124b-fn-series-slim-120mm-fg-05l-sv.html

1,500 revolutions per minute
- 25 CFM delivery volume
- 0.86 mm H2O static pressure
- Low volume of only max. 18 dB (A)

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Yeah the prolimatech fans are regarded as the best slim fans from what I've read

noctua to match above, needs to be 1400rpm, at the same dB range, Air flow a little higher .

Silverstone
again, same rates , little lower CFM but higher Static for same dB

HAHA

 

[orbitalwalsh]

If you're interested in a little collab I can help design and laser cut an acrylic front panel. It'd be a shame not to go custom considering the heavy modding all over this case!

I think I may have to . Hopefully its shown Higher ups at Silverstone with increasing height by 7mm (so can accept more commonly known slim line rads - aka EKs awful SE range, or 90% of 27mm Asetek rads) and the length of the case by 40mm they could have an updated or new RVZ04 version that still does ITX with ATX PSU but GPU either face side up or down , with a multitude of fans and ATX option .

Damn, Just picturing an AORUS TRX40 Pro Wifi in there with 24 cores!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @Plec you you've scretely got a few Xtreme board hidden from your family- send us a spare one

But to finish it off MAINLY so my damn kids stop pulling the cables out- a new side panel would be needed . Would cover that gap better but allow venting there . It would be nice with the GPU to have 120 or 140 mounting options for fans. I used 280 grill due to it showing off the GPU lighting better and more ventilation but for Slim Line rads, has to be 120/240 models and I think i've gone to big with cuts to revert back

Higher res shots


Tight !


Begging for Hinge i think !

 

[orbitalwalsh]

holy moly, this makes my planned Node 202 mod positively spacious!

haha, what you planning on doing to it ?

I;ll try and redo these shots with Hi Res ones at lunch but taken this morning when I reattached the AIO... and OH.... temps were 50c.. hit 90c... silly sod forgot to connect the pump header! will have to take of the panel at lunchtime and redo! I think theres a small air pocket in the loop but will sort that out later .

def think i've damaged the PCIe ribbon and thats causing issues

as for fans, because I forgot to install the pump header, they were spinning at 1350rpm (1500rpm is max) and were pretty silent and could feel the airflow. When it did hit 1500rpm I could hear it, but that was with the Top panel off .
GPU idle temp was also lower ! good news . Looks like the trick of High Positive pressure and modding the venting works .

if @Phanteks_Care would kindly like to donate a GPU block, should see if that can be watercooled and another 240 rad!

Spoiler: snaps of tightness !

As predicted , 2-4mm of clearance with the SFX PSU

^^^ if you look carefully you'll see the fan screw touching the casing ... then look to the right and you'll see the panel is just pushed 1-.5mm away from the chassis . These are counter sunk UNC 32-6 but fan frame's hole isn't drilled for counter sunk screws. Another small thing to add to snag list


Moving towards the back of the case. Can see that 45% of the second fan is side-by-side with the PSU.
Least with this AIO/CLC - VRM are getting Direct airflow haha




standard 90 Compression fittings were almost touching the Mobo I/O Cover (11/8mm), so these low profile easily allow more clearance/airflow


@tamzzy might be able to state the height clearance from the Pump-block to the fan as its 3 hex worth of gap...

also really really need to sort out the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG USB 3 front port cables. WHY oh WHY did Silverstone use generic set from ATX/mATX case

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Full stainless steel or chrome-plated copper hardline loop to match Watercool's Heatkiller blocks. Big trick though is flipping the CPU over so you can actually see the block, which instantly means it has to be single-slot width and give enough space underneath to allow the TX240 rad to breathe.

I have the case, I have a couple of prototype inverted GPU mounts printed, but I have no funds to buy the hardware and no reputation to even consider asking for sponsorship. The spec I have in mind isn't even that mental either

dont be afraid to send out emails and ask . Specially if your handy with 3D work and can show mock up. Plus is NOT been done before . Go through there social media sites, facebook and then company website and hit all email address you can find . Plus you have other projects you've done if i recall etc .

TX rads are brill!!!

http://thermalbench.com/2018/09/25/xspc-tx480-ultrathin-radiator/

^^^480 version but against all others does so well 8000-1500rpm . Alphacools 30mm ST is only other low profile or standard small Profile that matches or beats it but thats a full 9.5mm thicker and channels are a bit wider etc

Watercool, aquacomputer and alphacool are very close together . Worth dropping aqua*****g an email for sponsorship for other water parts might need etc

******mmmm connected the pump but not working- unless in my haste i've got the pin alignment wrong...

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Watercool offered me a 10% discount on their shop because I have no track record to support anything bigger, but I've not spoken to anybody else primarily because Asteria II isn't even finished yet, and I'm paranoid that spending over 3 years to do my first project would actually be seen as a negative. Plus I don't have the big social media presence yet either, blah blah blah.

Anyway, enough moaning about my stuff!

if its polished to a high standard then its priceless with time

easier as well to ask for the less hardcore stuff - though not sure what gear you'd be after . Little fact- reviewers are really bad at handing stuff back or vendors chasing up on items they have given out, specially at lower value and just ends up sitting on desk in the background of a video. what a waste!

Personally, how the time sponsored projects are useless as 99% of us cant even copy it . I can see why Community/marketing managers do sponsor £3k plus projects just to generate views =/ "

Was straight with silverstone in saying extra kid is coming so it'll take time , and reason why i'm doing it along with the benefit of if its works they can and should adapt it. Node 202 and Silverstone ITX cases should now have both ITX Mobo and GPU showing their face with either option for vented side panel or glass. Rivals are doing it via batch builds and charging triple the price ! 202 or RVZ03 are a fraction of the price with better global distribution etc - but thats my rant .

if you haven't dropped them an email for 202 case, then do it! nothing to lose ! push the idea. hammer home benefit of its never been done before and they could replicate it to attack rivals.
I know Silverstone EU are close with ASUS EU , thought about RVZ02 ?
https://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/index.php?model=RVZ02&area=en&top=S

and my modding skills are naff nothing quite like high res images with masking tape still on! or kids toys rammed into a custom £300 Parvum case pmsl

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@LePhuronn have the sfx PSU ?

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Maybe. I got something new in for Asteria II so I have my old Silverstone ST45SF-G V2 450W Gold, but that's Christ knows how old now and was earmarked for Asteria Reprise (another 75% planned and drawn project ). So more than likely I'd a new PSU for the Node project as it'll be all-new kit.

Drop silverstone an email - RVZ02 and SFX

You'd prob find it might be easier to work with 5mm taller

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Heart's set on the 202 The project name is even based on it..."Dioxidane".

Just wish there was 280 TX version

@Plec @tamzzy been getting so many crashes. Finally saw a B2 error code , which is linked to GPU - riser cables seems to be issue people have had so as I thought, need a new one !

Also.. 1 stick of 8 Pack 4000hz ram isn't working . Wil have to double check slot and sticks. Hoping it's the ram...

AIO is working . 25c idle and fans at 1300rpm and silent

 

[orbitalwalsh]

so I reseated the ram and its working fine! good....
Managed to shoehorn in my phone in front facing modo to try and find the Fault LED codes.

Powered this morning, went past splash screen, got to windows log in and reset to black screen. Restarted and black screen no bios splash, restarted once more and got past splash screen but black screened before windows log in .

this appeared in all cases along with error code for Storage


CPU/MOBO
-------------
VGA / RAM <<<< so its got to be the Riser. and will take some snaps on were i think the damage is

 

[orbitalwalsh]

so... im thinking , go broke or nothing...

Full water cooled set up! Slap 19mm Phanteks GPU block on the Aorus along with another XSPC 240 slim rad .

Now, I believe I have 60mm from PCB face to the face of the side panel - Phanteks state their block is 19mm so round to 23mm to give some head room + 20.5mm XSPC TX240 + 15mm = 1.5mm clearance WORST CASE , best case would be 5.5mm

Work PC has been upgraded to Win10 so lost off of my software till it is reinstalled so snapshots...









Pull EkWB Strix model which is 22.5 thick . waiting for new PCIe cables and then can measure clearance accurately

@Robbie_G seen Phanteks blocks on sale for £109... think it can go £100 ?

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@Plec @tamzzy after waiting 3 weeks! longer cooler Master Cable has arrived and can confirm old one was damaged !

Managed to do some testing with stock CPU speeds and overclocked to 4ghz all cores (running non X 2700). Aorus Xtreme 2080 running at default speeds without overclocking as well.

Max temp reached was 75c when stress testing with the GPU, which is quite surprising. was expecting it to be higher and 2700 was 65c with overclock running Cinebench r20 .
Gaming wise, 45c for CPU . Amazed at how well thin rad and fans hold up.







What i have noticed with heat is the back of the case.


Extremely hot ! metal is quite warm to touch. Postive pressure is forcing most of the air out here rather then the top . Gaps in the sides also venting out the hot air !

Now easily solution is to flip the case so GPU is at the top , as there is room for fan underneath/ontop of the GPU ....
Or to go FULL WATER!

@LuckyBenski might have to draw up rough CAD drawing of a Side panel to be cut .... seen some 'take of hinges' to allow sid epanel to act like a door as well as offer 240 Rad mounting with 280 rad holes for larger vent area and filters .

Rough idea.



Slight taller to inside of current panel fitting within with top and bottom Panels, it would would side flush on the lower step.


https://imgur.com/a/18xdmyv

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[orbitalwalsh]

Cheers guys - hope all survived mandatory family visits unscathed.

@orbitalwalsh - any updates or have you got your priorities skewed and taking care of your young family at the expense of your mod?

*Hope all is well with the new edition.

waiting on Waterblock for GPU- dont think i'll squeeze in second 240 rad but will move to zen3 which should cut down on heat from ryzen 2700