Atx itx matx?
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ITX is very small (obviously) and I don't know if there are any Vega cards designed specifically for it.
In general, challenge of build and neatness tends to go up as case size goes down. You may find a compact mATX or a cube type case serves you well.
In general, challenge of build and neatness tends to go up as case size goes down. You may find a compact mATX or a cube type case serves you well.
Harder to keep clean? Not really. Or at least, I've never noticed a difference.
Not ideal for a Vega? This is somewhat true. Nvidia's alternatives simply spew out considerably less heat. The smaller the case, the more important this becomes. The difference in heat output between a Vega 64 and an RTX 2070 barely matters in a Cooler Master HAF. But throw the cards in a Dancase A4, and the difference becomes much more pronounced. Plus some cases require a short card. And there, the better choices undoubtedly come from Nvidia.
Not ideal for a Vega? This is somewhat true. Nvidia's alternatives simply spew out considerably less heat. The smaller the case, the more important this becomes. The difference in heat output between a Vega 64 and an RTX 2070 barely matters in a Cooler Master HAF. But throw the cards in a Dancase A4, and the difference becomes much more pronounced. Plus some cases require a short card. And there, the better choices undoubtedly come from Nvidia.
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I've got a phantek enthoo evolve itx case, it holds a 1080 with an aio and a aio for my CPU. I will be going to a matx case in the future as a happy medium for better GPU choices and still a small case.
If you want a itx case but worried about not being able to house a good gaming rig in there, don't worry about it as you can.
If you want a itx case but worried about not being able to house a good gaming rig in there, don't worry about it as you can.
Not at all.
I'm just saying you'd struggle to find a Vega that will fit in something this size:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lazer3d-lz7-mini-itx-case-configurator-online-only-ca-02v-lz.html
Going slightly larger, plenty of people use a Vega card in something like this:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/dan-cases-a4-sfx-v4-mini-itx-gaming-case-black-ca-006-da.html
But in both cases, managing heat is a challenge. Going for an Nvidia card instead isn't mandatory, but it is one of the easiest changes that has a substantial effect on case temps.
Move to a larger ITX case and it barely matters. So something like this:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/nzxt-h200-mini-itx-gaming-case-white-window-ca-198-nx.html
However, if you want to "keep your options open" on components then ITX is maybe a bad idea. The smaller you go, the fewer component choices you have and the more you have to plan. People don't build in ITX cases for the flexibility. They do so primarily because they want a smaller PC.
Never new exactly what a matx was but after googling matx cases and quickly googling am4 matx motherboards my options are endless on what spec components I can have, graphic cards options is a lot better and maybe it will work out a little cheaper than buying and building a itx gaming system and being limited on what itx mini graphic cards there are...
So in order of size itx is the smallest, matx then atx being the largest..
Good little learning curve and great advice and now my options has broaden ty
So in order of size itx is the smallest, matx then atx being the largest..
Good little learning curve and great advice and now my options has broaden ty
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ironically, the best matx board...is an itx board...lol
ITX gives the broadest possible range of case options; the variation in this market is huge (particularly when you add in smaller micro ATX cases, which provide a great alternative to the larger ITX ones). The main downside is you lose expansion slots and case features (manly fan and SATA ports), motherboard layouts can be cramped, and ITX can get expensive at the small end of the scale.
Unless you go really small and specialist, you can ignore ITX GPUs. By the time you get to a case that requires one, you're at a quarter of the size of a small Micro ATX case anyway, so not really comparable.
The NZXT H200 is one of the larger ITX-only cases, coming in at 27 liters. You get support for GPUs up to 325mm long, and ATX PSUs up to 311mm. In terms of cooling, it will fit tower coolers up to 165mm tall, a 240mm radiator in the front (and a 120mm in the rear) and there's enough space to fit a simple custom water cooling loop. Basically, you could take a typical ATX PC and transplant it in to this case, only swapping out the motherboard and (maybe) the CPU cooler (assuming a water cooler with a radiator larger than 240mm).
As a similar alternative, the Inwin 301 and Bitfenix Prodigy are a similar size with support for ITX and Micro ATX. Aside from Micro ATX support, these cases are quite similar to ITX cases at this size (the Prodigy even started life as an ITX case).
At the other end of the (gaming) scale, the Dancase A4 is only 7.2 liters in size. GPU support drops to 295mm (which is still more than enough space for a full size card). You lose support for ATX power supplies (swapping to SFX or SFX-L instead). Cooling options change completely; tower coolers and custom WC loops are pretty much out. In their place, there's a whole market of low profile CPU coolers designed to provide the best possible performance in a small case like this. These small cases need a bit of money throwing at them, as you'll need a new PSU, new cooling (in most cases), possibly a smaller GPU (if you had a particularly long one previously), and storage will need to be swapped to SSD/M.2. The main caveat with the Dan, is that cooling performance isn't amazing (hence the Vega warning; people have done it, but unless you already own one or are a really staunch AMD fan, an NVIDIA card would be the smarter pick).
Between these cases there's a sea of choices to fit just about any set-up. And if GPU requirements are more modest, and funds a bit more flexible, you can go quite a bit smaller than the Dancase.
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Thank you for all the info posted satchef1
The options of itx matx cases is huge and I can see it’s going to take me a while to read up on dimensions as I want a smaller case but not be governed by having to buy smaller graphic cards as and when I upgrade...
The bitfenix prodigy is a really nice style and I also like the Corsair 280x. But with out the bright lights on these fans..
Seems like I have time as the new ryzens cpu have a few teething problems regarding bios and supply and demand....
It’s worrying as Tamzy has said that the best am4 small form motherboard is infact a itx not matx..
I’ve atill got to google sata ports as I don’t understand what that term means, I know that mb in itx form lose a lot of features but matx is not so bad...
The options of itx matx cases is huge and I can see it’s going to take me a while to read up on dimensions as I want a smaller case but not be governed by having to buy smaller graphic cards as and when I upgrade...
The bitfenix prodigy is a really nice style and I also like the Corsair 280x. But with out the bright lights on these fans..
Seems like I have time as the new ryzens cpu have a few teething problems regarding bios and supply and demand....
It’s worrying as Tamzy has said that the best am4 small form motherboard is infact a itx not matx..
I’ve atill got to google sata ports as I don’t understand what that term means, I know that mb in itx form lose a lot of features but matx is not so bad...
yeah. MSI b450i gaming plus-ac
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You can still fit an ITX board in an mATX case if that suits your needs though
SATA ports are for connecting drives - unless you have multiple hard drives or optical drives you'll be fine.
You can still fit an ITX board in an mATX case if that suits your needs though
Yeah, this is how my PC is at the moment.
An AM4 ITX board in an Inwin 301. I was looking at the NZXT H200, but OCUK had the Inwin on sale for £46.99. The Inwin is about 2 liters smaller. So I had a change of plan; put the £40 saved toward saving for an Ncase M1.
Can a itx motherboard be installed in a matx case just as easy as a matx MB?
Msi b450i is only lacking in 2 extra slots for ram and pci xi slot for a extra graphic card only?
From looking at the specs this motherboard pack a lot of features and be ideal for gaming multi media set up
Msi b450i is only lacking in 2 extra slots for ram and pci xi slot for a extra graphic card only?
From looking at the specs this motherboard pack a lot of features and be ideal for gaming multi media set up