Austin track layout unveiled (for 2012 season)
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So I guess that means, the drivers and spectators get a less exciting track but in a more desirable location........Ecclestone upto his old tricks, or a genuine ***** up?
Too coincidental for two races to be announced so (comparably) close together on the same continant after such a long gap of not having one at all for BE NOT to have anything to do with it imo
Too coincidental for two races to be announced so (comparably) close together on the same continant after such a long gap of not having one at all for BE NOT to have anything to do with it imo
A-ha, another complete arse up by the US.
At least they have a great dirt-track available now.
More like the organisation concerned doesn't want to front BE's extortionate fees
Besides, which venue do you think will attract more spectators, the middle of nowhere in Texas or the proposed urban New Jersey circuit?
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Austin happy for 2013 debut - www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96303
so IF BE wants to grant Austin a debut on the 2013 calendar, does anyone think it will be doubly tough to attract people ot the track given that surely majority of travelers are more likely to go to New Jersey debut than Austin (albeit that they are 4-5 months apart)
To me initially it looks like Austin is the (much) better track layout - but from a venue point of view NJ will be the place to go. I hope they can both survive, but I can bet (being a double header with Canada) which one would be of preference to BE given a choice
To me initially it looks like Austin is the (much) better track layout - but from a venue point of view NJ will be the place to go. I hope they can both survive, but I can bet (being a double header with Canada) which one would be of preference to BE given a choice
Why do people keep getting hung up on the fact there may be 2 races in North America? There are 8 (used to be 9) in Europe, including 2 in Spain. And its not like NJ and Texas are close. It's like saying a race in Germany would affect a race in Russia?
Either this has gone over my head, or you highlighted comptroller for some other reason other than it being:
A comptroller is a management level position responsible for supervising the quality of accounting and financial reporting of an organisation.
So quite a reasonable position for them to be speaking from.
No it isnt at all - completely different
1) I can see the attraction for sponsors / teams to want one race in NA, it makes a lot of business sense, however twice the amounts of races doesnt automatically mean twice the sponsorship - so from a fans point of view I would prefer the Austin race to go ahead rahter than NJ
2) NA couldnt sustain 1 race for 5 years or so, why does anyone think it will suddenly sustain two a 5 years after the last one?
3) Spain is slightly different admittedly (and Germany for a while before that - both of which because of fan power for WDC's mainly) - otherwise COMPLETELY different territories, different sponsors being kept happy etc etc, No US drivers at present let alone WDC's , and NA in general would be kept happy in one location so why focus 3 in such a relatively small area
A race ACTUALLY in NY (Manhatten Island) would be totally different, but to me NJ is a bit of a cop out.plus the track currently looks dreadful
Most of your argument seems to be based on your opinion that you don't like the look of the NJ track...
And saying that Canada, NJ and Texas are contained in a relatively small area... LOL. Montreal is 2000 miles from Austin.
There is absolutely no problem with North America hosting 2 races, and the suggestion that somehow they are being played off against each other by Bernie, even with evidence that the Texas race issues are between 2 other parties, and the NJ race has been in the making for 20 years, is ridiculous.
And saying that Canada, NJ and Texas are contained in a relatively small area... LOL. Montreal is 2000 miles from Austin.
There is absolutely no problem with North America hosting 2 races, and the suggestion that somehow they are being played off against each other by Bernie, even with evidence that the Texas race issues are between 2 other parties, and the NJ race has been in the making for 20 years, is ridiculous.
Read it again - several different reasons why , only one part bought up the track layout in NJ
So you tell me why Indy failed after 5 years and yet two seperate races will be sustainable in MUCH more difficult economical times?
It doesnt matter how far apart they are - they are in a similar geological/ marketing area where limited companies (who can spend the money required) will be interested. After the failings in Indy its pretty daft to try two brand new races within 6 months of each other (or even 18 as per the original plan)
So you dont see any co-incidence that as soon as Austin is announced a NJ one is hot on the heals - the fact its been attempted for 20 years, and yet it only happens now? Personally think you are pretty nieve if you really believe that
can we all just agree that Bernie needs to go, he should had been given the boot many years ago. All we have had from him in the last 5-8 years is complete money scams, for crying out loud the man is 81 years old.
I wonder how his little 'investigation' is going in the world of banking.
I wonder how his little 'investigation' is going in the world of banking.
F1 is only as successfull as it is today because of the work of Bernie and FOM. He is just a convinient scape goat for people who don't fully understand the arguments they are trying to make.
Frank, the Texas race promoters have admitted they were having difficulties and disagreements as early as May this year, and that the change in date was due to concerns over completion. This was all long before the NJ race was agreed.
You can believe all you like that Bernie has sacrificed the Austin race to make way for the NJ race, but you are simply wrong. The Austin race has destroyed itself.
F1 owes its entire existence to Bernie. If you think Bernie is nothing more than a money hungry idiot set about destroying the sport, then you lack the basic understandings of what is required to make a Motorsport series successful. Just look at other series who don't have a Bernie style commercial head, like WRC, or A1GP...
Frank, the Texas race promoters have admitted they were having difficulties and disagreements as early as May this year, and that the change in date was due to concerns over completion. This was all long before the NJ race was agreed.
You can believe all you like that Bernie has sacrificed the Austin race to make way for the NJ race, but you are simply wrong. The Austin race has destroyed itself.
F1 owes its entire existence to Bernie. If you think Bernie is nothing more than a money hungry idiot set about destroying the sport, then you lack the basic understandings of what is required to make a Motorsport series successful. Just look at other series who don't have a Bernie style commercial head, like WRC, or A1GP...
Bernies an old codger and needs to go, he was brilliant for the sport but he's a bit mental now, not that rest aren't to blame as well, but why do people think he is trying to kill Austin?
The people with the contracts essentially pulled out after repeatedly breaking said contract, new people have taken over but haven't shown any money or even proof they have money.
The people with the contracts essentially pulled out after repeatedly breaking said contract, new people have taken over but haven't shown any money or even proof they have money.