Australian Grand Prix 2014, Melbourne - Race 1/19

Well done RBR for telling him fuel wouldn't be a problem. Bad sensors, bad calculations or just pure stupidity by the team in failing to manage fuel?


Either way, no idea why Massa wanted a ban or why anyone would think it was appropriate for Koby. Ultimately when the brakes aren't there when you want them something bad will happen, pretty much anyone with brake failure would do the same. Even if you stupidly choose to brake later than you should it's a judgement error and not purposefully completely stupid. He compared it to Grosjean's ban which is laughable. Grosjean pushed Hamilton over off the track, did it over a prolonged distance and there was absolutely no possible excuse for it. He didn't make a mistake at the end, his entire start, the entire run to the corner was incredibly bad and dangerous driving.

Should Koby have backed off and assumed the brakes might not be at their best, possibly, but if the brakes failed backing off even 20 metres earlier wouldn't have done anything, he's still have smashed Massa.

Huge shame for Williams/Massa though, that car certainly looked like it had a lot of pace and well, I'd just have liked to see Massa fighting Alonso as they came through the grid :p
 
JRS said:
Oh boy. What a shame for him, did everything right today and the team screws him. Nice one RBR!
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Vettel had the same in FP3 I believe, I think other Renault powered teams also showed that.
But iirc they said it was being read incorrectly, fingers crossed for Ricciardo.
 
dougal1331 said:
Because of the early-morning start, and the fact the BBC themselves are showing the race this afternoon. It's no extra effort just to have a link entitled 'Australian Grand Prix results' rather than name the winner on the homepage.
We get "If you don't want to know the scores, look away now" on the telly, so why ruin the result for everyone?
They have now changed the homepage, so well done for that!
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Well, the bbc news homepage still shows the winner, but the bbc homepage shows this instead:
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Why couldn't they have done this on the news as well? Anyway, I'll just take this as a lesson learnt. :rolleyes:
 
dougal1331 said:
They have now changed the homepage, so well done for that!
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Sort of, on the left of mine to where you can scroll over you can still see it says 'Rosberg wins eventful Australian GP'

edit - like above, if it included the column to the left, that has the result in it still.
 
I am very impressed with Kvyat, he looked insanely nervous in particular in practice 2(didn't see FP1). He got in a bunch of peoples way, wasn't quite sure if he should get off the racing line or not, came fairly close to a collision with someone, a Merc or Mclaren IIRC. It's not unsurprising, but considering how nervous he looked when it came to qualifying and the race he wasn't backing away not sure of what to do, he wasn't braking early and leaving gaps because he was worried. He got over his nerves very quickly and did exceptionally well for his first race.
 
deuse said:
Lets see what happens. CW did say he will come down hard on anyone breaking the 100kg rule.
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I do want to know why the term "consistently" was used. Does that mean they were using fuel at a rate that would break the limit through the whole race? Just a odd way to say it. I do think of all the rules, if you simply use more fuel and go faster in the race than others it is severe enough to warrant disqualification for me.

Seems odd though, you'd think RBR could do the math and would tell him to change settings. You might get an overzealous driver think he knows better, let a home crowd and his position get the better of him and not turn the fuel down and pray for the best... but asides from being stupid, surely we'd have heard the team screaming at him over it.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Well done RBR for telling him fuel wouldn't be a problem. Bad sensors, bad calculations or just pure stupidity by the team in failing to manage fuel?


Either way, no idea why Massa wanted a ban or why anyone would think it was appropriate for Koby. Ultimately when the brakes aren't there when you want them something bad will happen, pretty much anyone with brake failure would do the same. Even if you stupidly choose to brake later than you should it's a judgement error and not purposefully completely stupid. He compared it to Grosjean's ban which is laughable. Grosjean pushed Hamilton over off the track, did it over a prolonged distance and there was absolutely no possible excuse for it. He didn't make a mistake at the end, his entire start, the entire run to the corner was incredibly bad and dangerous driving.

Should Koby have backed off and assumed the brakes might not be at their best, possibly, but if the brakes failed backing off even 20 metres earlier wouldn't have done anything, he's still have smashed Massa.

Huge shame for Williams/Massa though, that car certainly looked like it had a lot of pace and well, I'd just have liked to see Massa fighting Alonso as they came through the grid :p
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Off course Massa was speaking before he knew it was a brake failure :rolleyes:
 
Massively well done by Riccardo and especially Magnussen! Can't believe how English he sounded, had more of a English accent than me :p

Ill be honest, i recorded the race and soon as Hammy went out, i skipped right to the end of the race.
 
Mr Men said:
Off course Massa was speaking before he knew it was a brake failure :rolleyes:
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Yes, without knowing it was a brake failure it was still nothing worthy of a ban, that was my point. He compared it to Grosjean, who over a long distance swerved at a car, continued to push him off the track and caused a collision on the inside going into a very tight right turn which caused an absolutely insanely dangerous massive crash.

Koby, for all intents and purposes, did what 20 other cars out there do every race, he went in close as anyone else in a pack then his brakes failed. Without his brakes failing his position wasn't obscenely dangerous, nor had he done something dangerous since he pulled away. He wasn't placing another car in danger merely by his position or what he chose to do. If he locked his brakes it's driver error but not an overtly dangerous situation he got himself in to. Had it been driver error there is no way it's one, a ban, or two, remotely comparable to what Grosjean did.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I do want to know why the term "consistently" was used. Does that mean they were using fuel at a rate that would break the limit through the whole race? Just a odd way to say it.
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I would assume it means it wasn't just an odd blip that could be attributed to a sensor anomaly or software glitch causing the fuel to be delivered at 100.5kg/h for a few seconds down the main straight on one particular lap.
 
Rybo89 said:
Massively well done by Riccardo and especially Magnussen! Can't believe how English he sounded, had more of a English accent than me :p

Ill be honest, i recorded the race and soon as Hammy went out, i skipped right to the end of the race.
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I wonder if Riccy managed to stay second because of this consistent breaking of the fuel flow rate. Magnussen got very close on multiple occasions but just couldn't get past. Was this because Riccy/RBR has a mode that was basically providing more power and more fuel than it was allowed to?

I was reading it above as they used more than 100kg of fuel, but du'h, they are saying broke the max fuel flow rate and consistently, which suggests on multiple occasions they turned the engine up and in the course of this race I would suggest that was to stay ahead of Mag.
 
Kenai said:
I would assume it means it wasn't just an odd blip that could be attributed to a sensor anomaly or software glitch causing the fuel to be delivered at 100.5kg/h for a few seconds down the main straight on one particular lap.
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yeah, for some reason I was reading it as they used over 100kg by the end, hence consistently seemed odd, but in regards to a particular max fuel rate at any given time in the race it makes perfect sense.
 
Havnt heard about the fuel thing - but fuel flow is monitored by an FIA flow meter, which teams would have access to the data - so its a management issue not a hardware issue
 
Ferrari's pace I have to say is worrying me. Another season where they look to be playing catch up from quite a distance. The positive is if it's Hamilton V Rosberg I hope they should be able to go toe to toe, especially if they are some margin ahead.

It would bother me more if Ferrari or Merc were so far behind the Red Bull. Not a huge fan of cars failing settling races or grid penalties for reliability issues but those are the rules we have.
 
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