Australian Grand Prix 2014, Melbourne - Race 1/19

the attitude coming from RBR is pretty terrible tbh, of all the things they have tried nothing gets me much as this. Its like blackmail attempt. I didnt expect this set of comments from RBR at all really

I dont mind if they cheat.. its up to the team to risk it and the FIA to catch it and deal with it, its important in F1 really



and on the fuel thing, it absolutely needs to just come out. Were they over by 0.1, 1.0, 10.. so important to know and put things to rest
 
so red bull choose to ignore warnings from FIA about breaking the rules in a race and get removed, complain and lose and because they are not at the front riding off into the distance threaten to leave.

LOL, hope they do go, good riddance.
 
As my favourite team boss is back... ;)

It is evident that the juvenile entertainment appliances vacated the infant mobility device by the means of the progeny applying a inclined force targeted over the boundary of said infant mobility device.
 
deuse said:
Grow up horner.
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Why?

The FIA never stipulated that the fuel flow mass readings must be taken from the homolgated sensor, that needs clearing up and that is the point that Redull/Horner will want to get clarity on. According to Redbull / Horner, from their own measurements they are not in breach so why is he being childish?

The FIA left the door open, lets all blame the team that chose to push the limits and call them childish, rather than bad mouth the historically sloppy governing body......:rolleyes:
 
Syla5 said:
Why?

The FIA never stipulated that the fuel flow mass readings must be taken from the homolgated sensor, that needs clearing up and that is the point that Redull/Horner will want to get clarity on. According to Redbull / Horner, from their own measurements they are not in breach so why is he being childish?

The FIA left the door open, lets all blame the team that chose to push the limits and call them childish, rather than bad mouth the historically sloppy governing body......:rolleyes:
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It's not hard...really..

FIA...turn your sensor up\down
rb..NO
FIA...turn your sensor up\down
rb..NO

You have been warned now turn your sensor up\down
rb..NO

Your OUT....
rb but our sensor is better then yours. And just because ALL THE OTHER TEAMS DID AS YOU ASK we won't.

Please leave F1 rb or don't bring more shame to it.
 
Syla5 said:
Why?

The FIA never stipulated that the fuel flow mass readings must be taken from the homolgated sensor, that needs clearing up and that is the point that Redull/Horner will want to get clarity on. According to Redbull / Horner, from their own measurements they are not in breach so why is he being childish?

The FIA left the door open, lets all blame the team that chose to push the limits and call them childish, rather than bad mouth the historically sloppy governing body......:rolleyes:
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Thats suspect to start with but even without that the FIA warned them numerous times after telling all teams that they HAD to comply and RBR chose to ignore them

Yes on numerous occasions RBR as a team have come across very childish over this
 
deuse said:
It's not hard...really..

FIA...turn your sensor up\down
rb..NO
FIA...turn your sensor up\down
rb..NO

You have been warned now turn your sensor up\down
rb..NO

Your OUT....
rb but our sensor is better then yours. And just because ALL THE OTHER TEAMS DID AS YOU ASK we won't.

Please leave F1 rb or don't bring more shame to it.
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Actually it was more like this:
FIA: turn your fuel flow down our inaccurate reading with an offset applied to it is saying your to high
RB no we are not over the limit as we have been telling you all weekend your reading is wrong, and you know it is because you have applied an offset to each team.

rinse repeat

rinse repeat

rinse repeat

FIA We DQ you from the race because you didnt agree with us that our inaccurate sensor was the right reading to use...

Its not a clear cut breach of the rules, its not a ruling that is in question, its the accuracy of the FIA sensor and the fact that the teams are not obligated to monitor fuel flow through said sensor that is in question.

FrankJH said:
Thats suspect to start with but even without that the FIA warned them numerous times after telling all teams that they HAD to comply and RBR chose to ignore them

Yes on numerous occasions RBR as a team have come across very childish over this
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What is childish about not wanting to rely on something that is clearly dubious? I would call that smart. You go for a meal and someone cooks some chicken, it smells off. Just cause everyone else is eating it and your mum tells you to eat it, should you eat it even it doesnt smell right to you?? Yeah of course you should otherwise your childish.......:rolleyes:

Currently the FIA is saying Redbull breached 5.1.4 the team must not exceed 100kg/h fuel flow mass.
All the FIA have to support this is a dodgy offset sensor reading that was inconsistent across the weekend and across the teams.

RBR say they have data that was stable all weekend and proves they didnt breach the rule.

Its far from childish for the team to be confident in their position and not be happy to rely on the dubious FIA sensor.

I am not questioning the rule, or what has happened, but there is clearly some exaggeration going on in to how redbull have handled this situation. Childish it is not. Arrogant is a fair descriptor, however they appear to have the confidence to be arrogant on this occasion. You dont get to the head of your sport by being all nicey nicey.

I feel that the finger needs to be more firmly pointed at the FIA for leaving the monitoring of the fuel flow so open within the rules, they only have themselves to blame, when a simple "5.4.2 You must use and adhere to the readings from the FIA Homologated sensor at all times when monitoring compliance with 5.4.1" would have stopped any of this from happening in the first place.
 
lolhorner... It's a totally mental situation.
I really fail to see how they can justify this behaviour, I hope the FIA go to town and call their bluff, and if RBR/TR leave, nevermind, Honda might make a come-back in 2016 seeing as they are supplying engines again, perhaps Prodrive will also make a new team. Dave was talking about not making an effort till at least the new regulations came in anyway.
 
Syla5 said:
snip.
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All that means nothing as rb are not arguing about the sensor but the words in the FIA rule.

"FIA’s Technical Regulations with Article 5.1.4 stating ‘Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h’. However does not say that this reading has to come from the FIA’s sensor"

Horner is just laughable. And Horner thinks he will run F1 when Bernie stops...not a chance...ever.
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113091

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner thinks that as long as it was within the maximum fuel flow rate as specified in article 5.1.4 of the F1 technical regulations, then there are no grounds for it to have been thrown out.

Speaking exclusively to AUTOSPORT, Horner said: "Technical directives are not of regulatory value.

"They are the opinion of the technical delegate - as was made clear in the Pirelli case [the Mercedes secret test], which clearly stated that opinions of Charlie are not regulatory.

"It [them being opinions] is even stated on the bottom of the directives now, that these do not have a regulatory value.

"Our position is as it was in the race: that we believe, and we believe we will be able to demonstrate in the court of appeal, that we fully complied with the technical regulations - 5.1.4 - to be explicitly clear."
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I didn't expect them to take this approach to it, to be honest, but I suppose it's better than just saying "we're right, you're wrong", at least. :p
 
deuse said:
All that means nothing as rb are not arguing about the sensor but the words in the FIA rule.

"FIA’s Technical Regulations with Article 5.1.4 stating ‘Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h’. However does not say that this reading has to come from the FIA’s sensor"

Horner is just laughable. And Horner thinks he will run F1 when Bernie stops...not a chance...ever.
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Acutally the whole reason RBR said no to the FIA about turning down the wick is because they didnt agree with the FIA technical directive about the sensors and applied offsets that were handed out at the Aus GP.

Again that is my point that the Rules do not state that the FIA sensor must be used as the defacto reading in conjunction with 5.4.1, which is exactly what RBR are saying. So yes it does all come down to Redbull not agreeing with the sensor and believing that they have not broken any rules.


JHeaton said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113091
I didn't expect them to take this approach to it, to be honest, but I suppose it's better than just saying "we're right, you're wrong", at least. :p
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thank you.
 
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