Australian Grand Prix 2016, Melbourne - Race 1/21

Bernie should have a say in the 'show', as thats what he is there to do, to make F1 worth watching and then extract as much money from those who do as possible.

Where it all falls apart is that the teams and Bernie have a say in the technical regulations. But thats not what this is, the Qualifying rules form part of the Sporting regulations which also govern things like how many practice sessions there will be, the days they race on etc. Bernie needs a say in those.

The races will happen regardless of bums on seats in the stands. See if you can count how many people are watching the race in Bahrain in a couple of weeks. It won't take you long. And even though the country has a questionable political environment, we still return there year after year.

The whole reason the qualifying changes were tabled was based on the races. "How do we make the races less predictable? I know, lets **** up qualifying and make the grids random, so heres some screwed up pointless qualifying shambles we can pick from, lets vote".
 
Because they are equally as inexperienced in writing technical regulations for the design of F1 cars.

The FIA are the governing body of world motor sports. They should be the best at regulating because its their job to be. Not only have they shown that they can't, they have also sold the rights to make the rules to the promoters and the competitors.

It would be like FIFA getting Wayne Rooney and Rubert Murdoch to write the rules of Football for them, or the IAAF getting Usain Bolt and Sue Barker to draw up the schedule of events for the Olympics. It's utterly stupid.
 
See I dont see why fiat would know how to right the technical rules, as they aren't engineers?

They should be good at saying we want cars to follow closely, and then engineers point out it's all about aero and dirty air and go you need these rules about aero in the technical manual.
Instead you have self interested teams fighting, fia who aren't engineers and you end up with a mess.
 
Because they are equally as inexperienced in writing technical regulations for the design of F1 cars.

The FIA are the governing body of world motor sports. They should be the best at regulating because its their job to be. Not only have they shown that they can't, they have also sold the rights to make the rules to the promoters and the competitors.

It would be like FIFA getting Wayne Rooney and Rubert Murdoch to write the rules of Football for them, or the IAAF getting Usain Bolt and Sue Barker to draw up the schedule of events for the Olympics. It's utterly stupid.

Well Wayne Rooney is stupid, many ex F1 racers aren't.
 
Doesn't qualify them to write a sports regulations though.

Not saying it does but if they are going to consult anyone with regards to a new qualifying format for example I'd much rather have the ideas of Mansell, Hill and Prost than Charlie Whiting, Bernie and Arrivabene.

They could at least consult with an elected group of ex-f1 racers on such matters.
 
ACI (Automobil Club Italia) president, Angelo Sticchi Damiani has confirmed the story tonight: "We offered Bernie 19 millions, but he refused. He didn't like the planned changes for the SBK to the track".

A Bernie Ecclestone's rethink is unlikely. Now the Italian Grand Prix will have to be disputed in another location, Imola & Mugello are the candidates. Sticchi Damiani continues: "Both are not at Monza level, but between something or nothing, better something".

"Imola is the most likely, beacause Mugello has big infrastructure problems. There are not enough parking zones as well"

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/201...i-monza-salta-ora-si-tratta-su-imola/2562784/
 
Not saying it does but if they are going to consult anyone with regards to a new qualifying format for example I'd much rather have the ideas of Mansell, Hill and Prost than Charlie Whiting, Bernie and Arrivabene.

They could at least consult with an elected group of ex-f1 racers on such matters.

They said they did it for the show, so how about the ask the people who watch, us.
 
ACI (Automobil Club Italia) president, Angelo Sticchi Damiani has confirmed the story tonight: "We offered Bernie 19 millions, but he refused. He didn't like the planned changes for the SBK to the track".

A Bernie Ecclestone's rethink is unlikely. Now the Italian Grand Prix will have to be disputed in another location, Imola & Mugello are the candidates. Sticchi Damiani continues: "Both are not at Monza level, but between something or nothing, better something".

"Imola is the most likely, beacause Mugello has big infrastructure problems. There are not enough parking zones as well"

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/201...i-monza-salta-ora-si-tratta-su-imola/2562784/

The old man needs to die. Before F1 does.

No Monza from 2017 will mean no Italian GP. Ferrari will leave F1.
 
ACI (Automobil Club Italia) president, Angelo Sticchi Damiani has confirmed the story tonight: "We offered Bernie 19 millions, but he refused. He didn't like the planned changes for the SBK to the track".

A Bernie Ecclestone's rethink is unlikely. Now the Italian Grand Prix will have to be disputed in another location, Imola & Mugello are the candidates. Sticchi Damiani continues: "Both are not at Monza level, but between something or nothing, better something".

"Imola is the most likely, beacause Mugello has big infrastructure problems. There are not enough parking zones as well"

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/201...i-monza-salta-ora-si-tratta-su-imola/2562784/

Wow, F1 really is dying on its arse. Do FOM have shares? If so I'd love to see how far they've fallen come Monday.

Teams can't afford to compete. Those that do don't have any immediate hope of beating Mercedes at the moment. The tracks are dull as **** (Melbourne is obviously one of the better ones, so Bahrain and Sepang (not the worst tracks) are going to be pitiful), qualifying is a complete farce and the "least poor" of two ideas is being pushed aside with the worst idea (success penalties) looking the likely to replace it. The future looks bleak with faster cars (good) making for worse races (bad), and even those changes are half-arsed because no agreement can be reached to give Pirelli a car to test the tyres with.

Please someone form a credible breakaway.
 
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They said they did it for the show, so how about the ask the people who watch, us.

For one thing the pointless drivers group did ask the fans and all the fans said different things which made it entirely worthless. Ask 100 fans what to do and you'll probably get 50 different opinions with two votes for each, how does that help?

Considering you for instance keep completely misunderstanding the new rules for 2017, as do most fans, is there really much to be gained from asking the fans anything?

You keep insisting the new front wings are more complex. Very simply, 80% of all the stuff on the front wing is working the air to push it around the front wheel.... they got more complex when the wing was made narrower because they had to work much harder to get the air around the wheel. A wider wing.... is a naturally less complex wing because it has to work much less hard to push air around the wheel. Likewise there is specifically a rule for less complex end plates. The front wing is by every rule less complex and will be less effected when following the car infront(because it's less complex and will be much much easier to get the airflow it needs).

But you keep insisting the new rules make the front wing more complex. So you'd throw out the 2017 regulations because you don't understand them at all, so would most fans.

Most fans seemingly want ultra basic wings and way more downforce from ground effect. This will reduce drag on the cars, one of the reasons the cars find it harder to follow is not just the dirty air behind but less drag on the car infront. Less drag means the car punching a hole through the air is slowed down much less today than for the same downforce produced with less efficient aero a decade ago. Less draggy aero and more ground effect would likely help the car in front by reducing drag on straights further. You had better slipstreaming a decade ago and better closing speed on shorter straights for the car behind because of the slower speed of the lead car.
 
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