That's only a problem if you are at the cutoff every single time. Like I said in my previous posts we could simply allow people to finish their hotlaps which saves a massive amount of time. In Q1 we saw people were getting out and starting a lap in time with a minute to spare. Over time they'll get more efficient.
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That's only a problem if you are at the cutoff every single time. Like I said in my previous posts we could simply allow people to finish their hotlaps which saves a massive amount of time. In Q1 we saw people were getting out and starting a lap in time with a minute to spare. Over time they'll get more efficient.
Well, no. Its a problem if your in any spot that will be eliminated within that time. 5 minutes covers the next 3 spots. 6 minutes covers the next 4!
Caporegime
Because that's how they qualify. F1 never needed gimmicks for qualifying and nor should it - it's demeaning to the sport.
Simply put testing sessions are testing. Qualifying is the end product - the fruit of that labour. You have 12 laps to go out and set the fastest time. As does everyone else.
It doesn't have to be complicated - fastest lap wins.
So you would line everyone up in absolute race pace order. Fastest at the front, slowest at the back. Sounds like a good catalyst for overtaking.
They changed the 1 hour format because there was a lot of complaints that it was rubbish. There has never been any significant complaints that the 3 session format was rubbish. Its been universally praised by everyone.
Caporegime
If qualifying isn't designed to see who has the fastest car and therefore should get pole position then I am at a loss as to what has happened to the sport.
Only if you have major revamps like weight penalties or reverse grids aka touring cars is the outcome you want I.e fastest at the back possible.
You think the elimination system was designed to see who has the fastest outright car?
Qualifying should be a competition to see who can be the fastest during Qualifying. That doesn't necessarily translate to who will be the fastest in the Race. The FIA broke that with the tyre rules and extending parc ferme.
Caporegime
The 1 hour format was too long for the attention deficit generation yes, that's why I say code nose it to 30 minutes and a nice snap shot format.
Qualifying comes down to how well the drive can manage a fast lap inside 30 mins. No quibbles just racing.
Amusing isn't it.
What is so different between 1x 30 minute short session and 3x 15 minute ones? It sounds like your ideal F1 qualifying already existed, it just has an ad break in it.
Soldato
Its not just tyres though. The cars only run in qually with the minimum fuel to do max 4 laps, 3 if possible.
Refuelling can not be done in the pitlane due to safety.
Refuelling is done in the garage using a small can which goes in slowly, due to safety.
In the old system, you could go out at the start of the 15 minutes, do 3-4 laps (1-2 timed), come in, refuel slowly, change tyres, and then go out for one more flying lap before the end of the 15 minutes.
Now, you do 3 laps (1 timed) at the start of the 15 minutes, come back in, and by the time there is enough fuel in the car, you are eliminated, or only have enough time to do your out lap before being eliminated.
Yep.
If you watch Q1 we had 7 minutes of everyone on track setting times, then the whole middle part of the session was 6 cars being eliminated that weren't in a position to try and do anything about that, and then 2 cars on track at the end going for the last spot.
The elimination system means the middle of the session is just a no mans land of people being eliminated based on the times they set right at the start. Only the very end of the session actually retains any sort of elimination format. And then when you get to Q3 its all too short and they have run out of tyres anyway so its all over within the first 5 minutes.
If you boil Q3 down to what actually happened, basically everyone set 1 lap, and then Rosberg set another because he made a mistake on his first. And that was it.
If you watch Q1 we had 7 minutes of everyone on track setting times, then the whole middle part of the session was 6 cars being eliminated that weren't in a position to try and do anything about that, and then 2 cars on track at the end going for the last spot.
The elimination system means the middle of the session is just a no mans land of people being eliminated based on the times they set right at the start. Only the very end of the session actually retains any sort of elimination format. And then when you get to Q3 its all too short and they have run out of tyres anyway so its all over within the first 5 minutes.
If you boil Q3 down to what actually happened, basically everyone set 1 lap, and then Rosberg set another because he made a mistake on his first. And that was it.
I still don't get why people are considering everything I've said in isolation.
My very first post in this thread.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29300128&postcount=370
1. Minimum fuel which removes refuelling.
2. Allow people to finish a lap they have started (significantly reducing spare time required to get a lap in, so it isn't 5-6 minutes anymore but 3-4 minutes).
My very first post in this thread.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29300128&postcount=370
1. Minimum fuel which removes refuelling.
2. Allow people to finish a lap they have started (significantly reducing spare time required to get a lap in, so it isn't 5-6 minutes anymore but 3-4 minutes).
So there will be an emergency meeting tomorrow morning with the Teams, FOM and the FIA to decide on the Qualifying rules for the next race onwards.
Bets on them coming out with yet another different set of even more complex regulations rather than reverting to the old system that worked?
Bets on them coming out with yet another different set of even more complex regulations rather than reverting to the old system that worked?
Caporegime
Because my way can lead to more variation and still gives mr p20. Chance to increase his place down to the last moment.
Throw weather and track temperature into the equation and someone can go from any position to virtually any position any time.
That's why it's better.
In 2015 3 people had pole positions Lewis 11 of the, and vettel like 1.
In 1994 you had 6 different people on pole. So explain to me how is the shootout better?
Because 3-4 minutes is still longer than 90 seconds?
Also, how would being allowed to finish a lap you have started work at tracks with laps longer than 90 seconds? You would have to eliminate the next driver without yet having eliminated the previous one? Can the FIA timing system see into the future?
Which only matters if you believe the people battling for the first cutoff need more than 1 lap. Oh wait that is exactly what the initial period does.
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well the 2016 season has started off as bad as the last one
That seems like a deliberately specific and very tenuously relevant set of stats to pull...
Surely the number of different pole sitters is down to the relative performance of the cars and the drivers within that season, rather than the Qualiying format?
2012 had 7 different pole sitters. 1992 had 3.
And the laps longer than 90 seconds issue... how do you solve that?