Australian "The Voice" referendum gets a solid no vote to allow further indigenous representations.

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Thread title amended as in all fairness I misrepresented the referendum's purpose.

Is Australia indicating it wants to return to a more right leaning governance? The acrimonious referendum, (aren't they all these days, losing is not seemingly taken with grace and fortitude any more), has resulted in a clear indication of the Oz's belief indigenous populations have more than enough say in what occurs in government without giving them a vote.

From the ruddy complexioned BBC buildings just now:


Australia has overwhelmingly rejected a plan to give greater rights to Indigenous people in a referendum.
All six states voted no to a proposal to change the constitution to recognise Indigenous citizens and create an advisory body to the government.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said defeat was hard: "When you aim high, sometimes you fall short. We understand and respect that we have."
Opposition leader Peter Dutton said the result was "good for our country".
The referendum, dubbed "The Voice", was Australia's first in more than a quarter of a century. With almost 70% of the vote counted, the "No" vote led "Yes" 60% to 40%.
Its rejection followed a fraught and often ill-tempered campaign.

Supporters said that entrenching the Indigenous peoples into the constitution would unite Australia and usher in a new era.
No leaders said that the idea was divisive, would create special "classes" of citizens where some were more equal than others, and the new advisory body would slow government decision-making.
They were criticised over their appeal to undecided voters with a "Don't know? Vote no" message, and accused of running a campaign based on misinformation about the effects of the plan.
The result leaves Mr Albanese searching for a way forward with his vision for the country, and a resurgent opposition keen to capitalise on its victory.
 
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Even as someone who isn't a raging racist I don't see what the point was in this vote and frankly highly suspicious of how it would be abused by vested interests such as the mining conglomerates who Labor is clearly not willing to annoy.

Really should have used all this political energy on the seemingly rampant misogyny in their political system.
 
I'm not aware. What is the abridged version?
I lived there for 3 years Perth, Darwin, Sydney and Katherine. This was only 12 years ago and in Katherine, bars opened through the day for black people only selling mid-strength beer. Come 6 pm it was a white only bar selling full strength beer. When I asked one the bar owners, it was those black xxxxx would wreck my bar if I let them in all day and night! This was 12 years ago :(

On top of that the Oz government had a national apology day which amounted to violence from Aboriginal people towards white people. There was some special payout for Aboriginal people near Christmas so they could buy presents etc. All meant in with the best intentions but just created further divide.

This was all 10+ years ago and I haven’t been back but sounds like it is only more hidden nowadays. People don’t tell you about this when ots portrayed as down under all chilled out people etc etc.

 
Well it just sounds like a modern South Africa all over again. Full of stereotypes and cliches.
I'm just glad i live in Europe where "most" of this crap has been worked out over the centauries.
Aussies are a weird bunch tbh.
Im all for being a "hippy" where everyone lives in peace and harmony but it will take generations to de-evolve or un-intigrate with european culture.
They can sit in their land doing what ever it is they do while all the euro aussies push paper around and make money.
 
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When I asked one the bar owners, it was those black xxxxx would wreck my bar if I let them in all day and night! This was 12 years ago :(

So are you saying it's not fair they only serve half strength beer during the day, or that the bar owners are risking having their business destroyed?

Or is it okay for people to wreck people's businesses? Or is it only okay if they are a certain colour?
 
I've 2 friends who've lived there for about 20 years each and I just chatted to both about this to try and get a little more context around the issue.

From what I've seen/heard I think this is an example of a very "bad" question, where two separate things were being put together into one single Yes/No question i.e. - Do you want to recognise Aboriginals in the Constitution and if you do then you also agree that the Government will implement it sometime in the future without further consultation - The No campaign weren't saying "No" to the idea of recognising the Aboriginal people within the constitution, instead they were saying No to the way this was to be implemented, with a vaguely worded "Council" being added into law at a later date with no oversight into the wording of its purpose or boundaries being given at the time of the vote, leading people to believe that this implementation might lead to an increased risk of harm to Aboriginal people at a later date should a more negative Government ever be elected in the future, as this implementation could only be changed by holding another referendum which would probably never be called.

As with all questions like this my friends have said its become a literal minefield to have discussion about this - very akin to our Brexit vote - with lots of the "usual" insults being traded around racism etc, even with a few prominent Aborigines also campaigning for No as they weren't happy with the lack of implementation info at the time of the vote and wanted more clarity before deciding on what would effectively be a "one and done" vote, setting in stone things without any Aboriginal consultation before hand.
 
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A garbage proposition that received a resounding and well deserved "NO"

I have been following this issue for a while now and what's interesting is how pale a lot of the 'Aboriginal' activists are....

Some of the palest 'black fellas' you'll ever see.

Its a corrupt grift just like BLM and all the other Marxist aligned orgs are

 
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