Austrian Grand Prix 2015, Spielberg - Race 8/19

Just caught up with the race on +

Just 2 points to take away for me...

-Maldonado finished another race!!!
-Maldonado finishes another race in the points!!!

Is this real life?

Otherwise, a straight forward race. Bottas quality again.
 
smr said:
another grid penalty for alonso in silverstone apparantly, the engine has broken in two and is unrecoverable.
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Oh ffs, tedious **** penalties galore.
We'd be as well just skip all this nonsense, and go to the formula that they all want.
It's clear the sport doesn't want a new engine manufacturer, and will be happy to lose a couple.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Oh ffs, tedious **** penalties galore.
We'd be as well just skip all this nonsense, and go to the formula that they all want.
It's clear the sport doesn't want a new engine manufacturer, and will be happy to lose a couple.
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The problem is the rules were never design to take into account that Honda would build an engine made of glass.
 
Exactly. The rules and the penalties are designed to promote reliability, control costs and prevent teams getting competitive advantage by using lots of engines.

They fact they also hammer you if you build a rubbish engine is a problem, but its a problem caused by building a rubbish engine, not by the rules.

The restrictions on testing are a massive problem for many areas of the sport, however. That definitely needs to change.
 
But the rules have been created in such a way, that it makes it nearly impossible for a new engine manufacturer to come in.
To the casual observer, Honda is a useless laughing stock. Man on the street doesn't care that it's their first season, with a new engine. Not exactly great advertising!
 
I don't agree with penalties that are applied as a result of incidents. Unless they are blaming the incident solely on Alonso and conclude the busted engine is his own fault?
 
How is Honda's situation any different to the others?

Infact, Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari had no chance to improve their engines after the season started. Honda have had the same complete freedom to develop the engine up to the start of their first season, and then the added bonus of being allowed to develop further in season.

The only real difference is that they now have only 1 team running their engines. But the Honda engine wasnpants come race 1 regardless of how many teams then ran it.

Honda have just screwed up, simple as that.
 
EVH said:
I don't agree with penalties that are applied as a result of incidents. Unless they are blaming the incident solely on Alonso and conclude the busted engine is his own fault?
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Wile this seems to make some sense, it doesn't.

If that was the case, you could just crash in FP 1/2 and get a brand new free engine.
 
Glaucus said:
Wile this seems to make some sense, it doesn't.

If that was the case, you could just crash in FP 1/2 and get a brand new free engine.
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If it were the case, everyone from 11th to 20th would back their car into a wall on the last lap of every race.

The rules are 4 PU's. You can't start picking and chosing who that applies to because one of them broke and wasn't their fault. You'd enter a world where the rules are subjective based on the opinion of the person handing out penalties, and that's a rabbit hole you simply cannot go down.
 
F1 is close to death.

I've watched it pretty religiously since the 80s but today I missed the race live and had to make do with highlights and frankly I wasn't bothered.

There's a chance I could end up missing the British GP in a couple of weeks and I can't say I really care about that either.

It's a totally hopeless mess.
 
I actually thought bits of the action today were alright. At least the battle for third was halfway exciting. Unfortunately, I was making do with the BBC highlights and their coverage is getting worse as time goes on.
 
I watched the highlights and think I fell asleep for most of it. Don't remember anything after the safety car through to the last few laps watching Vettel try and pass Massa and Maldonado scrapping with Verstappen.

Sounds like I didn't miss much! Very glad I've not bothered spending a lot of cash on any race tickets this year.
 
Vertigo1 said:
It's a totally hopeless mess.
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Its not at all. Its miles away from a mess. Its actually doing really well. Its profitable, has a pretty full grid, and has more races wanting to be on the calendar than the calendar can hold. This is way beyond what most other FIA run series are doing.

The problem is it doesn't know what it wants to be, can't decide on its future, and has made the massive mistake of letting literally everyone have an opinion. The result is everyone thinks they know better, nobodies view of what the sport should be is being met, so everyone is just complaining. So what we end up with is a series surrounded by an enormous, unrelenting and uncontrollable sea of negativity. And its coming from the top, as the sports promoter, a guy who's enormous wealth depends on F1, does literally nothing but bitch about the series.

Its now at the stage where even the greatest race ever would fill the journalist columns with articles on how the engines aren't loud enough, the DRS overtakes are fake, and the penalties are unfair, as everyone watches the races through **** tinted glasses.
 
As people have said pretty boring race, but I dont think the track helped either tbh.. Good effort by Rosberg, can't take this one away from him.

As I said a few months back, McLaren are screwed and will be mid runners at best next season.
 
For those who were arguing their was so little visible damage to Alonso's car after his crash in Barcelona, little more evidence is needed than yesterday. The damage to Alonso's car on the left-hand side yesterday, the side which pancaked the barrier, looked similar to that in his Barcelona crash, with both crashes apparently being around 30g and a mandatory trip the medical centre.

The front-left was visibly intact with the left-rear deranged but not collapsed. That's the issue in both - if the suspension doesn't collapse, the crash structure isn't touched and the full force is transferred to the driver.

Obviously the crashes weren't identical with the one being against a metal barrier which flexed and the other against a solid concrete wall, but if the g-forces were the same... well it's physics. What we don't know if how long the driver was subjected to those g-forces, which is apparently what normally causes the damage.
 
Vertigo1 said:
F1 is close to death.

I've watched it pretty religiously since the 80s but today I missed the race live and had to make do with highlights and frankly I wasn't bothered.

There's a chance I could end up missing the British GP in a couple of weeks and I can't say I really care about that either.

It's a totally hopeless mess.
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Echo this pretty much. If I wasn't a fan of LH then I would have no reason to watch it at all. It must truly be a waste of 2 hours for the neutral.

Though even being a fan of one of the drivers, with the state of overtaking and the likelihood for processions after the first corner, even then you find yourself wondering why you are wasting your Sunday afternoon.
 
Skeeter said:
Its now at the stage where even the greatest race ever would fill the journalist columns with articles on how the engines aren't loud enough, the DRS overtakes are fake, and the penalties are unfair, as everyone watches the races through **** tinted glasses.
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But the thing is....

The DRS overtakes are fake, or at the very least assisted by fakery. I'd rather have it than not, though, since the current aero rules simply don't allow for truly close racing.

The penalties are unfair on occasion. They keep punishing simple mistakes rather than bad driving.

The engines are too quiet on TV, and that'll never be fixed because the guy who controls the TV end of things is on record as hating these engines.

But the circus merrily continues on, because people will always still watch it and countries will always still want it to come to them. Right up to the point when they don't any longer. We aren't quite there yet, but we're a damned sight closer than we were ten years ago and in most other sports that would start to worry the people in charge.
 
I stopped watching half way through the race :( I hope they open up the engine regulations, if they don't I can see myself skipping a few of the races.
 
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