Austrian Grand Prix 2015, Spielberg - Race 8/19

smr · 21 Jun 2015 at 14:50

Crofty actually looks emotionally distraught at twitter comments.

Housey · 21 Jun 2015 at 14:54

Crofty is passionate about it, but because you've seen worse doest not make **** good.

Glaucus · 21 Jun 2015 at 15:33

OldCoals said:
I agree that drivers should not be punished for engineering issues but there needs to be some penalties.

McLaren are so woeful at the minute that you couldn't take points off them.

It's a team sport, why would you separate the punishments, that makes no sense.

Ok lets just race with a totally illegal car, it's fine different punishments for drivers and teams, so drivers win WDC while WCC they get zero points.

smr · 21 Jun 2015 at 15:40

The drivers get penalised for making mistakes on track. Anything that happens off track the drivers should be excluded from having penalties applied to. Dont understand how hard this is to get your head around. There are two championships.... one for the team and one for the driver.

Skeeter · 21 Jun 2015 at 15:45

So what about the potential to gain sporting advantages? What's to stop a team using a new engine every session, getting them massive advantages, and the drivers winning the WDC because of it?

The penalties are to stop advantages as well as promote reliability. Honda are being stung for having pap engines, but equally it stops Mercedes running qualifying engines designed to last no more than 10 laps.

smr · 21 Jun 2015 at 15:48

Penalising them with wcc points would counter their ambitions to do that.

Skeeter · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:10

smr said:
Penalising them with wcc points would counter their ambitions to do that.

But drivers should not be penalised in the WDC for gaining massive advantages by having Qualifying spec engines?

Your just massively buthurt because Button got penalites, I don't think you have even mentioned Ricciardos, Kvyats, or Alonsos?

And anyway, isn't the whole point of upgrading the engines in order to make the cars faster and more reliable for the drivers? Everything in F1 is about improving performance on track. There isn't a single performance improvement a team makes that the drivers won't benifit from, directly or indirectly.

Danthus · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:10

LOL at Brundle, "Not even the onboard camera works on that car".

V F · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:34

OldCoals said:
LOL at Brundle, "Not even the onboard camera works on that car".

Heh! Can't see him being inviting back to the McLaren garages for through the week interviews with Ron Dennis anytime soon.

mjt · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:55

Fast-forwarded most of the race. Don't think I missed much?

V F · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:57

No. A Ferrari for 3rd replaced for a Williams. Silverstone will be same. Mercedes and a Ferrari.

gobbo · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:59

mjt said:
Fast-forwarded most of the race. Don't think I missed much?

Not at all, snooze fest of epic proportions, like most of the races so far this season. I'm seriously considering giving up watching it's getting that dull

mjt · 21 Jun 2015 at 16:59

OldCoals said:
LOL at Brundle, "Not even the onboard camera works on that car".

Is that really why we never saw it from Alonso's angle? wow :/

V F · 21 Jun 2015 at 17:03

Bernie Speaks:

Formula 1 needs simpler rules to make it easier for fans to understand, commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone said after grid penalties made a muddle of the Austrian Grand Prix qualifying.
McLaren’s Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button were each handed 25 place drops, on a grid of just 20 cars, as a result of engine and gearbox failures.
Given that the pair qualified 15th and 17th respectively, and cannot physically start in 40th and 42nd places, they will line up last and take additional time penalties during the race.
“I think we need to have a very, very good look at all our sporting regulations,” Ecclestone told reporters after qualifying.
“Don’t go over the white line, don’t do this, don’t do that, if you change your engine you go back 20 places…They (the fans) don’t understand,” added the 84-year-old.

Ecclestone said the main problem was the complex V6 turbo hybrid power unit and a rule allowing drivers only four engines for the season.
Mercedes have been dominant since the unit’s introduction last year with Ferrari catching up this season but Renault and newcomers Honda still off the pace.
Both Red Bull drivers have 10 place grid penalties for their home race, which means that RussianDaniil Kvyat qualified eighth but should start 18th.
Australian Daniel Ricciardo qualified 14th and would be expected to drop to the back – but ahead of the McLarens. However, the situation is complicated by the penalties having to be applied in chronological order.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news...pler-rules-says-ecclestone-172416334--f1.html

smr · 21 Jun 2015 at 17:07

another grid penalty for alonso in silverstone apparantly, the engine has broken in two and is unrecoverable.

V F · 21 Jun 2015 at 17:12

I find it daft you get penalised for a bad crash so engine is ruined. It's one thing when it fails on its own.

Peg · 21 Jun 2015 at 18:03

smr said:
The drivers get penalised for making mistakes on track. Anything that happens off track the drivers should be excluded from having penalties applied to. Dont understand how hard this is to get your head around. There are two championships.... one for the team and one for the driver.

The team also gets punished if a driver makes a mistake on the track. How do you propose a drivers mistake is excluded from the constructors championship?

Peg · 21 Jun 2015 at 18:10

V F said:
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news...pler-rules-says-ecclestone-172416334--f1.html

Bernie talking sense. :eek:

There is a fundamental problem with the Honda and Renault engine and the current rules are preventing them from fixing those problems anytime soon. Development is governed by the token system and the ban on testing is strangling the sport. Renault and Honda have walked away from the sport before and what do we have left if they do so again?

CaptainRAVE · 21 Jun 2015 at 18:12

Peg said:
Bernie talking sense.

There is a fundamental problem with the Honda and Renault engine and the current rules are preventing them from fixing those problems anytime soon. Development is governed by the token system and the ban on testing is strangling the sport. Renault and Honda have walked away from the sport before and what do we have left if they do so again?

Decent engines that would put everyone on a more level playing field.

Peg · 21 Jun 2015 at 18:17

CaptainRAVE said:
Decent engines that would put everyone on a more level playing field.

People will soon get fed up with Ferrari v Mercedes.