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Poll: Austrian Grand Prix 2019, Spielberg - Race 9/21

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Shimmy, Jun 27, 2019.

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Rate the 2019 Austiran Grand Prix out of ten

  1. 1

    1.1%
  2. 2

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. 3

    1.1%
  4. 4

    2.2%
  5. 5

    4.3%
  6. 6

    3.3%
  7. 7

    22.8%
  8. 8

    48.9%
  9. 9

    12.0%
  10. 10

    4.3%
  1. jonneymendoza

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    good race that was
     
  2. Rossi~

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    Agreed!

    Back in the day, the guy on the outside would have backed out because of grass or gravel. Now there’s nice run-offs everywhere, you get squeezed off instead.
    Racing.

    Good race, with some excitement. Still not great, Dependant on DRS as usual. 7/10
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2019
  3. PinkFloyd

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    Decent race. What a difference a half decent circuit makes!
    Rr: the incident for P1, I'm surprised it didn't happen the lap before - was great that it didn't. Enjoyed watching Verstappen have to work for some of those overtakes.
    Great results for the McLarens, looks like the team is finally making some progress now.

    It's a shame the Mercedes didn't have more pace to put up some fights with the others.
     
  4. Quartz

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    A large part of the problem is simple: he's fast on raw pace but can't overtake. Look how many laps he spent trying to pass Kimi.
     
  5. Spunkey

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    I don't think it's just overtaking though. There's been races where he's started 6th and just fallen backwards from the top 5.
     
  6. Entai

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    I should have explained better.

    The commentators were "comparing" Leclerc to Schumacher, as it was Schumacher who was the last Ferrari driver to get pole in Austria in 2003.
     
  7. Quartz

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    I agree, but his inability to overtake was particularly evident yesterday.
     
  8. Entai

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    But that is the exact point of the rule.

    The outside driver should NEVER have to back out and concede the corner, because the inside driver MUST always give enough room.

    THAT encourages great racing as seen the lap previous to the incident.


    But lets be brutally honest here

    ZERO drivers want great racing, they want to get past and get in front and pull away at any cost, bumping someone off the track to gain an advantage and get a few tenths or so to pull away, is just a way to that goal of getting ahead.


    While the FIA ignore the rule and are lenient when applying it, then drivers will continue to push others off tracks at every opportunity, and that in no way ever is great racing.
     
  9. koolpc

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    Rubbish
     
  10. Terminal_Boy

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    Red Bull should let swap Gasly for Albon and see what he can do with a car capable of winning a race.
     
  11. deuse

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    But Gasly never had any of the new updates max had.

    And I don't think Albon wants to go on the scrap heap at the moment.

    I can see Charles not being a fair and nice driver from now on.
     
  12. mmj_uk

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    Leclerc should never have been wheel to wheel on the outside, the only reason he was was as Chandhok said drivers know that if the car in front shuts the door on them they can just take to the run-off and cry penalty without actually risking retirement or losing any time. Back in the day a driver would have accepted that he had lost track position at the point where Verstappen had put his car down the inside, they would probably have run deeper into the corner and tried to slingshot back at the next corner but as far as that corner goes they were beaten. Also, back in the golden days of racing the defending car wouldn't have left the inside line wide open and given the car behind that opportunity to take track position in the first place, if Leclerc had taken the inside line Verstappen would have had to go around the outside and Leclerc could have shut the door the same. I think the problem here is drivers are exploiting the fact that leaving the track has no penalty for them and they won't have to get back past on the track if the driver is given a penalty, so rather than accepting they're beaten they're deliberately keeping their foot down looking to have the door shut on them in order to try to retake the position in the stewards room.

    The majority of people were arguing that Vettel shouldn't have been penalised for closing the door on Hamilton in Canada, the issue there was having left the circuit Vettel had broken the unsafe rejoining of the track rule by impeding Hamilton.

    Actually for me yesterday, Vettel's move on Norris looked far worse as they weren't even in a corner and Vettel looked to try to squeeze him off the track, nobody has said anything about it though.
     
  13. neckbeardthethird

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    It's not rubbish its absolutely bang on. The rule exists to promote good racing, what Verstappen did is a penalty in most series because they are clued up enough to realise that enforcing the rule strictly ultimately stops drivers from doing it and thus over time improves side by side racing in certain situations.

    F1 is a clown show in terms of applying penalties consistently, there had been arguments that this season they had turned over a new leaf but this has completely killed that perception.

    They need to rewrite the rule to make it clearer and then apply it very strictly so drivers know they can't do it anymore. All the people saying they want proper racing and yet they support a move which is aimed to kill the racing... so strange.

    All the evidence you need as to why the rule is important can be found in the 2 those laps. First lap they stick to the rules = great battle down to next corner with another overtake. Second lap max drives Leclerc off track = end of side by side racing, race over.

    Totally understandable why Max did it (people get away with it all the time) and naive of Leclerc to leave the door open but if Max had not run him off track you would have had another side by side battle into the next corner... that's what racing should be like, that's what the fans want.

    If people love proper racing so much they should share the viewpoint most series have that moves like this are anti 'proper racing' and letting them continue to happen actively harms side by side racing, especially in open wheelers.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2019
  14. koolpc

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    More rubbish
     
  15. neckbeardthethird

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    No counter argument whatsoever, good job
     
  16. Mr Jack

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    It's your ability to cooly and clearly articulate your viewpoint and rebut your opponent's points that makes your position so compelling.
     
  17. justbeats

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    Voted 7/10.

    Charles should have gone to the inside, he should have known Max would do what he did, he knows him well enough. Max should have left more room like the lap before. Regardless Max would have had him the next time around anyway. Fair or not fair Max drove an amazing race and he thoroughly deserved the win, but he was lucky to get away with it.

    McLarens looking good, Lando is a great British talent for us to cheer for when LH hangs up his helmet.
     
  18. 4K8KW10

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    If it was Hamilton in Charles' place, the penalty would be handed without thinking.

    Also, verstappen was looking actively for a contact, he didn't do anything to avoid being too close to the other car.

    Penalty but not given based on discriminatory reasons - max is allowed to kill a Ferrari driver.
     
  19. Spunkey

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    Give the victim complex a rest for 5 minutes, would you?
     
  20. unKle

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    And they said F1 was boring :p It's certainly stirring up debates after each race!