Poll: Austrian Grand Prix 2022, Red Bull Ring - Race 11 (Sprint Race Weekend)
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WTF are these Sky ads. God Loves You at London Excel
I was thinking exactly the same thing, bizarre!
Soldato
Leclerc drove brilliantly all race, especially at the end when the throttle was sticking open, causing the gearbox to refuse downshifts and push under braking.
Very harsh. Those sorts of comings together are pretty easy if it’s 50/50. It’s not like he forced him off track, Perez turned in and he understeered a bit.
They really need to penalise Verstappens defending properly if they’re going to give penalty points for stuff like that. It makes a mockery.
Watched the highlights last night. Seemed like a decent race. Any mention of the flares though? They were ridiculous. How were the drivers happy racing through that for the first few laps?
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Outstanding race!
How many times have we seen 3-abreast into a corner or 5 cars jockeying for position
Just gutted for Sainz and his engine failure
Bit comical how they dealt with that also and not in a good way.
Can we go to Reims instead?
How many times have we seen 3-abreast into a corner or 5 cars jockeying for position
Just gutted for Sainz and his engine failure
Bit comical how they dealt with that also and not in a good way.
Can we go to Reims instead?
Soldato
Very harsh. Those sorts of comings together are pretty easy if it’s 50/50. It’s not like he forced him off track, Perez turned in and he understeered a bit.
They really need to penalise Verstappens defending properly if they’re going to give penalty points for stuff like that. It makes a mockery.
Watched the highlights last night. Seemed like a decent race. Any mention of the flares though? They were ridiculous. How were the drivers happy racing through that for the first few laps?
You're right he didn't force him off the track, he crashed into him. Nowhere near as bad as forcing him off the track and costing him a few seconds
It really wasn't a 50/50. Watching George's onboard you can see Checo was ahead going into the corner and all through the corner until he got hit. Going by the rules it was a clear penalty. Just like Gasly who got the same penalty for his crash with Seb.
Caporegime
Ahead going into the corner? Nah, they were the very definition of side-by-side. Checo pulls ahead as they go through the corner and they then collide because Pérez comes in too tight. Very little Russell could have done to have avoided that. By the time Checo pulls across, Russell's line is determined by the entry he took: right on the apex and moving only a little outwards as he went through the corner exit. We saw very similar lines being taken by the driver on the inside during overtakes through the race, but because the drivers on the outside took more sensible lines there was no contact.
Soldato
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Checo's front wing is ahead of George's as they get to the corner. Not by much but he's ahead
Caporegime
This is alongside:
Maybe one or other of them is a couple of inches ahead here, it's impossible to tell from this angle, but the assignment of blame cannot be based on the drivers accurately judging such margins. By the time of the contact, of course, Pérez is clearly ahead:
But look at how close he's positioned himself. Putting himself there he's asking for an unreasonable level of positioning on corner exit from Russell. Punishing Russell for Pérez positioning himself there is unreasonable.
Soldato
This is alongside:
Maybe one or other of them is a couple of inches ahead here, it's impossible to tell from this angle, but the assignment of blame cannot be based on the drivers accurately judging such margins.
That's well into the corner by that point and yes he might have got along side there for a split second but doesn't change the fact that Checo was ahead going into the corner which George would/ should have seen as his onboard shows us that. But even then the rules say the car overtaking on the outside needs to have significant portion of the car alongside which he clearly does at all times.
You could also say it's unreasonable for George to defend against what was clearly a much faster car.
Don
My initial thoughts when I watched it live were that Perez caused that. However, on watching the replay it looks more like a 50/50. I mean, I know George got a penalty, but who suffered more? It felt more like a little slap on the wrist given the circumstances and outcomes. I know they are not supposed to take into account outcomes, but I am sure there is some unconscious bias going on in this instance.
I thought 50/50, opening lap tyres not fully up to temp, heavy cars. Bit of understeer should be expected. Perez could have left more room. Russell is fully on the brakes and almost locked steering, what more can he do.
Perez made the bad decision to go for the move in that corner and it cost him.
Perez made the bad decision to go for the move in that corner and it cost him.
Caporegime
Nope:
Pérez was the one overtaking, remember.
That's true, and it's what the decision says. It's their position that Pérez left enough room that seems off to me.
That would be absurd: fundamentally against the principles of racing.
They're not supposed to, no, for good reason. But damage to Russell also really damaged his race: he took a new wing and pitted early as a result after losing a lot of time through the first stint. He did very well to recover as much as he did.
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Caporegime
Just noticed that Alonso's front left came lose during the race, which is what he was under investigation for "release in an unsafe condition" for. I don't remember that being picked up in the coverage at all?
It wasn’t shown but the commentators did mention that he pitted twice in a row, which would align with the tyre issue.
Man of Honour
Cracking race tbh. Amazed that Mercedes are pulling all these podiums out of the bag with that car, even if a little fortunate.
Soldato
Stay classy
lol utter nonsense. Even if Checo was ahead it doesn't give him the right to turn into a car on the inside because the car on the inside has absolutely nowhere to go apart from slamming on the brakes and losing probably 4 places as a result of traffic. No-one is ever going to do that and it's just as bad a manoeuvre as a Verstappen torpedo up the inside expecting the other car to go off track to avoid a collision. Judging by these incidents and lack of penalties for RB drivers so far, something needs to change because they're clearly being educated/trained by management into overly aggressive moves like this which goes along with Max's "win it or bin it" mentality from karting days.
RB fans really want to turn F1 into football don't they
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