Autonomous Vehicles

[Amp34]

Drop a driver in by AI drone?

Erm, no. "Driver" sits in comfy office with a couple of screens in front of them, takes break from drinking their coffee and telling vehicles where their next load is going to be, to look at camera and telemetry output of vehicle requesting assistance. "Driver" then decides whether to re route, reboot/force vehicle to continue on existing route, or takes hold of the joystick in front of them and guides vehicle round obstacle, before resetting route and letting vehicle continue autonomously.

Then "driver" puts feet back up, sips coffee and continues watching the Simpsons.

20 years ago this may have seemed fanciful. Today people are regularly flying vehicles thousands of miles away from a room in another country.

 

[adam cool dude]

Cars have been detecting ice for years - have you not heard of ESP?

How does ESP see ice in the distance and slow down the car in preparation?

What i was getting at is driving down a stretch of Road at 60MPH, see a massive patch of ice in front, you slow down for this to avoid an accident. ESP has nothing to do with that and how does AI see this?

 

[jigger]

Erm, no. "Driver" sits in comfy office with a couple of screens in front of them, takes break from drinking their coffee and telling vehicles where their next load is going to be, to look at camera and telemetry output of vehicle requesting assistance. "Driver" then decides whether to re route, reboot/force vehicle to continue on existing route, or takes hold of the joystick in front of them and guides vehicle round obstacle, before resetting route and letting vehicle continue autonomously.

Then "driver" puts feet back up, sips coffee and continues watching the Simpsons.

Not sure if serious.

 

[Amp34]

Not sure if serious.

Why?

Care to elaborate on what you see is a problem in that scenario?

 

[jigger]

What is better than a person? AI. What is better than AI? a person driving an AI car remotely over a connection that could drop out at any time and with a joy stick with a couple of seconds delay. What's better than that? A person in the seat driving.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

What i was getting at is driving down a stretch of Road at 60MPH, see a massive patch of ice in front, you slow down for this to avoid an accident.

So how you you know if there is a patch of black ice there?

 

[Amp34]

What is better than a person? AI. What is better than AI? a person driving an AI car remotely over a connection that could drop out at any time and with a joy stick with a couple of seconds delay. What's better than that? A person in the seat driving.

Have you been living in a cave the last 20 years? We live in a world where drone aircraft are being flown over warzones and used to target and protect people. All by people sat thousands of miles away in buildings on military bases in the UK and US.

If the connection drops, the vehicle can just stop. The maneuvering probably won't be going on at 70 mph, rather 10, going round an obstacle, or navigating to the side of the road. If there's that much of an issue then a tow truck/engineer could be used to fix the damn thing.

 

[jigger]

So how you you know if there is a patch of black ice there?

Experience, knowledge of the area, crashed cars, skid tracks. Eyeballs are good too.

 

[jigger]

Have you been living in a cave the last 20 years? We live in a world where drone aircraft are being flown over warzones and used to target and protect people. All by people sat thousands of miles away in buildings on military bases in the UK and US.

If the connection drops, the vehicle can just stop. The maneuvering probably won't be going on at 70 mph, rather 10, going round an obstacle, or navigating to the side of the road. If there's that much of an issue then a tow truck/engineer could be used to fix the damn thing.

Yep and even the tech the army and air force use drops out a lot and has big delays. The drones loop until they loose power and crash.

Do you know what happens when you loose control of 45 tonnes of wagoon? Maybe google it.

 

[Amp34]

Experience, knowledge of the area, crashed cars, skid tracks. Eyeballs are good too.

So everything that a computer and sensors could pick up then, or be programmed into?

Yep and even the tech the army and air force use drops out a lot and has big delays. The drones loop until they loose power and crash.

Just imagine that vehicle going 10 mph stopping suddenly. All the damage it could do!

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Experience, knowledge of the area, crashed cars, skid tracks. Eyeballs are good too.

And you think AI wont be able to any of that? It already does most of it. For example Ford already have databases of accident hot spots, 3d mapped roads and AI can currently, through mapping of terrain and correlating it with temperature data, predict where black ice might form and react accordingly.

But lets pick your comment apart a bit more shall we.

Experience,

What if you're a new driver or inexperienced, are you saying you wouldn't be able to predict where black ice might be? AI would have the accumulated experience of millions of miles travveled by millions of cars over millions of hours. A human couldn't compete with that level of experience.

knowledge of the area

What if you're new to the area? It wouldn't matter to AI whether it had been to the area or not, as the system shares this knowledge with every vehicle.

crashed cars

A computer database will hold more information of recorded accidents than any human ever could.

skid tracks.

AI can quite easily identify tyre marks. Pattern recognition has bee around for decades.

Eyeballs are good too.

But AI has access to cameras many magnitudes better than your eyes and has the potential to be faster at interpreting that information and reacting to it than you as well.



My view on autonomous vehicles before I go to sleep:-

We already have hardware that can exceed every human parameter, what we're lacking is the programming conceptualisation to make it a reality, but it's getting there at an astonishing pace and it's widely recognised that widespread adoption of autonomous vehicles isn't just a possibility, it's an inevitability. And it's not even the AI that's standing in the way, it's humans and how they deal with the legislative challenges.

 

[jigger]

And you think AI wont be able to any of that? It already does most of it. For example Ford already have databases of accident hot spots, 3d mapped roads and AI can currently, through mapping of terrain and correlating it with temperature data, predict where black ice might form and react accordingly.

And you think people can't? I don't need the a topagrahical map or data bases of accident hot spots. Maybe I'm gen X AI?

 

[jigger]

So everything that a computer and sensors could pick up then, or be programmed into?



Just imagine that vehicle going 10 mph stopping suddenly. All the damage it could do!

You really have no understanding. Stopping suddenly and the damage 45 tonnes can do at 10Mph needs a special mention. Seriously go do some driving in the north of Canada for a while.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

And you think people can't? I don't need the a topagrahical map or data bases of accident hot spots. Maybe I'm gen X AI?

I don't think people can do it as well as AI will be able to soon, no.

I think within 10 years AI will dramatically cut down motor vehicle related injuries and deaths to such an extent that it will be classed as too dangerous for a human to drive a vehicle.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

You really have no understanding. Stopping suddenly and the damage 45 tonnes can do at 10Mph needs a special mention. Seriously go do some driving in the north of Canada for a while.

AI could fix that. Scenario:-

AI Lorry travelling behind another AI lorry. Lorry at front senses rock fall and initiates emergency stop. Road is icy but due to the computational power and hundreds of sensors on the lorry, it is able to maintain perfect control. While this is happening it's sharing it's sensor data with the lorry behind it, so that lorry also initiates an emergency stop at EXACTLY the same time. Because the lorries are AI, they are also following at a safe distance, unlike the traits displayed by human drivers. Both lorries stop without an accident occurring.

Can you really not see how AI will make roads safer?

 

[jigger]

I don't think people can do it as well as AI will be able to soon, no.

I think within 10 years AI will dramatically cut down motor vehicle related injuries and deaths to such an extent that it will be classed as too dangerous for a human to drive a vehicle.

Maybe. Although in ten years I think cars will offer most of tech to a driver anyway. One of my cars and a motorbike I ride hasn't even got ABS. Sometimes I'll nip to the shop in shorts and t-shirt and leave phone at home.

 

[jigger]

AI could fix that. Scenario:-

AI Lorry travelling behind another AI lorry. Lorry at front senses rock fall and initiates emergency stop. Road is icy but due to the computational power and hundreds of sensors on the lorry, it is able to maintain perfect control. While this is happening it's sharing it's sensor data with the lorry behind it, so that lorry also initiates an emergency stop at EXACTLY the same time. Because the lorries are AI, they are also following at a safe distance, unlike the traits displayed by human drivers. Both lorries stop without an accident occurring.

Can you really not see how AI will make roads safer?

Cool! AI can bend the laws of physics too.

 

[Kaeo]

Honestly, my car can't even get rain sensing wipers right 99% of the time. I have very little faith in any of it.

 

[jigger]

Honestly, my car can't even get rain sensing wipers right 99% of the time. I have very little faith in any of it.

You drive in the rain? You need to stop that!

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Cool! AI can bend the laws of physics too.

Ok, not EXACTLY the same time, but as near as makes no practical difference. Certainly a thousand times quicker than a human could react at least.

One of my cars and a motorbike I ride hasn't even got ABS. Sometimes I'll nip to the shop in shorts and t-shirt and leave phone at home.

Yeah, one of my cars has a lack of power assisted stuff - no power assisted bakes, no power steering, no ABS. It doesn't even have a heater or wiper blades!

It does however have traction control. Who cares about stopping - just need bigger balls

I'll be sad when I'm no longer allowed to drive as I wont be able to keep up with the AI and it'll be too dangerous, but meh, can't stand in the way of progress!