I think the biggest issue here is you don't seem to understand where we are technology wise with this as clearly shown by your seemingly obliviousness to the technology in modern vehicles, let alone current prototypes.
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I think the biggest issue here is you don't seem to understand where we are technology wise with this as clearly shown by your seemingly obliviousness to the technology in modern vehicles, let alone current prototypes.
Nope.
Again, it's your lack of understanding on the current state of technology that's holding you back.
What he described (vehicles talking to each other) is being tested right now.
https://www.eutruckplatooning.com/About/default.aspx
In fact it's going to start being tested with HGV's on UK roads next year.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ruck-convoy-trials-get-uk-go-ahead-platooning
Also you assume all wagons are the same weight carrying the same loads and have the same level friction.
Still not seeing how that stops 45 tonnes of run away wagon.
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Yeah - no problem accepting that we can send an autonomous probe to Saturn to study it's moons, but won't accept AI can sense a rock fall and stop in time.
I think the biggest problem is the world we live in.
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Jesus christ this is infuriating!
Axle sensors can give a very accurate weight reading of a unit and this can be communicated to other autonomous vehicles in the vicinity. AI can use this weight to constantly adjust the following distance to the vehicle in front and it can monitor the road conditions thousands of times a second and adapt it's driving to suit and react thousands of times quicker to additional data (i.e. grip co-efficient, surface water depth). For example, a lorry at the front of a queue driving through a deep section of surface water could share this data with the rest of the lorries in the queue even BEFORE those lorries get to that section of the road and those lorries could adjust their following distance to prevent a dangerous situation developing.
But a 45 ton lorry controlled by AI wouldn't be in a run away condition - that's the frickin' point!
I think it's the people that live in it. A few prime examples in this thread.
Yeah, because if we could send people they'd probably kill each other and do crap job. I'm not even sure the mission would make it off the launch pad TBH
Yeah haulage is dangerous. 20 ton of swinging beef and a liquid tanker will have a huge difference in breaking. An empty trailer can be even worse.
You also seem to have missed the posts about AI needing assistance and AMP34's theory of dialing up a remote driver and the connection dropping out.
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Which AI with it's multitude of sensors and processing power could quite easily cope with.
Question:- Do you think humans manually control all the nuclear power plants around the world, making small adjustments thousands of times a second to keep it all in check? How many nuclear accidents have been caused by a computer malfunctioning and how many have been caused by human error? When new nuclear power station designed are submitted for scrutiny and approval, how many do you think would be approved if they had humans as their primary control mechanism.
Or do you think that our rail system is currently running at 3x capacity for a given track length versus the 60's because humans have got better and faster at co-ordinating track signals?
Please all me you read those links that were provided?
To continue on with this point (vehicles communicating) and integrating it with the discussion earlier about local knowledge (communication protocols are included in legislation being drawn up, so again not science fiction).
These protocols could also provide cars with information such as stats on accident black spots and causes; information on slip, braking and steering/g force of corners and stretches of roads giving vehicles advanced warning of road conditions and possible danger spots, allowing the autonomous vehicle to slow down or take preventative action perhaps hundreds of metres before the potential hazard. Not just for lorries, but for passenger vehicles as well.
That’s also something that no human driver can ever do. You may know a couple of places on regular routes where you should perhaps slow down a little because of the road conditions, but the automated vehicle could have that information and more for basically every location. That could also mean, in the future with a majority of self driving vehicles, a lot of speed limits may become largely redundant. The speed could vary between 30 and 100 on a road for example, but with every vehicle communicaing and providing condition information the trip would be smoother, allowing much shorter journey times.
Maybe it would depend how hard the wagon surged and potential end swapping with the trailer. They would all have very different braking distances. So depending on what the first truck needed to do would depend on what happened behind it. Still what has that got do with the runaway truck?
I have. Still see huge dangers and holes in the concepts.
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I think jigger is confusing his desire of not wanting autonomous vehicles with whether autonomous vehicles are viable.
I don't particularly want autonomous vehicles (as I like driving and I think thier widespread adoption will mean human drivers will no longer be deemed safe enough, although I do see the attraction for long, monotonous journeys and the daily commute grind); however, I'm not so naive to think that they won't happen.
I don't particularly want autonomous vehicles (as I like driving and I think thier widespread adoption will mean human drivers will no longer be deemed safe enough, although I do see the attraction for long, monotonous journeys and the daily commute grind); however, I'm not so naive to think that they won't happen.
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I'm out.
You simply can't take everything into consideratation and translate into the AI programming and make it fool proof. It's just not realistic. Sure AI could take a good stab at it but so could a person.
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No you can't, but they don't need to be foolproof, they just need to be better than humans, which they already are.
Autonomous vehicles 10 times safer than the safest human driver
You do know you’re not arguing against a theoretical position, you’re arguing against a number of successful trials of what you’re arguing against. Again, read the links provided.
What Amigafan is discussing has been proven to work in actual testing done with HGVs on public roads.
Which is why autonomous driving is being tested in stages. It’s not perfect and every year the testing is slowly bringing it closer to reality. It’s also why autonomous features are being introduced slowly into the wild with usage only authorized for certain situations.
And no, this has nothing to do with suggesting people can’t think fast enough to drive, just that computers can think faster. Most people are perfectly good at maths, but a computer is going to blitz you pretty much every time doing it.
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Good article that and I can completely agree with the results, for a computer to drive over 2 million miles and only have 1 at fault accident is pretty darn good. Most people will never get even close to a quarter of that mileage in their life time. I'd love to get an electric car that can drive itself. I love driving also, I drive for a living. I'd consider myself a pretty good driver, 1 accident in 20 years, doing 250 miles a day, 6 days a week (head on at <20mph around a blind corner on a country lane, was wet and slippery, was a 50/50 as no one was at fault, just bad timing)
Correction you were both at fault.
I'm looking forward to seeing how a mix of fully autonomous cars and standard cars plays out. If every car was fully autonomous great but i'm guessing they drive 100% to the letter of the law, where as people bend the rules.
Strange that uber are so keen to go for driverless taxi. Give me the choice and ill always take the human operated one.
I guess trains still have drivers too, and they just have to stop or go. No steering