Autumn Budget 2015

Schlong&Stable · 25 Nov 2015 at 14:51

Cyanide said:
The NHS needs to get its act together before we chuck more money at at. As much as I love the NHS it's an absolute money pit at the moment and we can't just keep throwing money at it in the hope that it eventually sorts itself out.

I am sure the NHS could be more efficient, but the reason it's a money pit is because our life expectancy is growing at a much faster rate than our productivity, exports and so forth. Or to put it more simply, the cost of our living longer must be offset by ever larger national incomes, and we're failing to grow national income quickly enough.

Glaucus · 25 Nov 2015 at 14:51

Mr Jack said:
The NHS regularly comes top, or near the top, for efficiency among international comparisons of developed world healthcare systems. What more do you want from it?

It really doesn't on anything that matters. Unless you care about customer satisfactions and other useless measures. It is pretty poor on actual results.

doodah · 25 Nov 2015 at 14:58

How often are forecasts correct? I have lost count of how many revisions down or up they make

(I know it can't be easy)!

Burnsy2023 · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:00

Glaucus said:
It really doesn't on anything that matters. Unless you care about customer satisfactions and other useless measures. It is pretty poor on actual results.

No, it's really not. You can look at the WHO, the Commonwealth Fund or the Kings Fund, all which say that clinical outcomes from the NHS are world class.

macmodder · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:04

I'm glad to see public pressure can work even against ideological polices such as tax credit cuts. I don't believe for a second that George looked at improved economic forecasts and thought to himself 'Now I can afford to maybe it would be nice to not cut tax credits'.

Tax credits are symptomatic of a system which doesn't pay it's workers enough to live on. Fix that and THEN take them away, not the other way around, and especially not when a solution to the problem is uncertain AND 2 or 3 years away.

Freakbro · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:04

Burnsy2023 said:
No, it's really not. You can look at the WHO, the Commonwealth Fund or the Kings Fund, all which say that clinical outcomes from the NHS are world class.

Dolph's NHS klaxxon must be going off right now, he'll be along soon to say why that's incorrect

Glaucus · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:05

Burnsy2023 said:
No, it's really not. You can look at the WHO, the Commonwealth Fund or the Kings Fund, all which say that clinical outcomes from the NHS are world class.

What 18th with a high capita expenditure, you night want to re look at these.

The reports, was it last year that had us top, where due to measures that should barely be considered, NHS simply isn't as great as people make out,
NHS always does poorly at solving the condition, it is more of a fire fight approach, which is cheaper and easier per day, more expensive and time consumming over decades.

Freakbro · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:07

macmodder said:
I'm glad to see public pressure can work even against ideological polices such as tax credit cuts. I don't believe for a second that George looked at improved economic forecasts and thought to himself 'Now I can afford to maybe it would be nice to not cut tax credits'.

Tax credits are symptomatic of a system which doesn't pay it's workers enough to live on. Fix that and THEN take them away, not the other way around, and especially not when a solution to the problem is uncertain or 2 or 3 years away.

As they said on The Daily Politics, George did this because he has his eye on No.10 and pushing through such an unpopular reform would have damaged his imagined* chances

Anyway, whatever the reason, it was a good U-Turn, yes.

* I say imagined because there can only be 1 person in the country who thinks he would make a good PM....well, ok 2...his mum as well

Over Clocker · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:07

Sliver said:
If you're inferring the Police then no. But in many other areas yes.

Please elaborate.

Police, no cuts.
Defence - Up
Education - Up
NHS - Up
Roads and other infrastructure - Up

A genuine question to you, I am struggling to imagine which cuts you are inferring to.

Mal

Burnsy2023 · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:08

Glaucus said:
What 18th with a high capita expenditure, you night want to re look at these.

What are you looking at specifically?

Glaucus · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:08

Burnsy2023 said:
What are you looking at specifically?

Who global table that one.

But there's lots if measures and for results and welding, NHS is pretty poor on most of them. as I said fire fighting, rather than fixing people permanently.

Freakbro · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:08

Over Clocker said:
Please elaborate.

Police, no cuts.
Defence - Up
Education - Up
NHS - Up
Roads and other infrastructure - Up

A genuine question to you, I am struggling to imagine which cuts you are inferring to.

Mal

Energy
Climate
Environment -15%
Health (Whitehall Budget) -25%
Transport -37%
Culture (Whitehall Budget) -20%

There was a list of 5 or so depts, I'll just get the others and edit

Burnsy2023 · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:10

Glaucus said:
Who global table that one.

The one from 15 years ago?

Freakbro · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:14

And the small print is already being analysed

The police budget is being protected in cash terms, so is actually going to be a real term cut

Oh and the OBR has just admitted that they got the projected VAT receipts model wrong (They believe they had been underestimating it) and that is part of the increase in future tax revenues.

Well, that fills us with lots of confidence!

Glaucus · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:14

Burnsy2023 said:
The one from 15 years ago?

As that's the one on the whos website, yes.
But as said who is not the only body.

Most recent report I can find for 2015 has UK ranked 20 so even lower, not by who though.

MatteH Oxford · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:15

Liking the extra 3% surcharge on borrow to let and 2nd homes, hopefully more of that to come

Burnsy2023 · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:18

Freakbro said:
he police budget is being protected in cash terms, so is actually going to be a real term cut

That's not what they've said:

The government will protect overall police spending in real terms over the Spending Review period, an increase of £900 million in cash terms by 2019-20.

mid_gen · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:19

MatteH Oxford said:
Liking the extra 3% surcharge on borrow to let and 2nd homes, hopefully more of that to come

Only 3% though....10% might have been a bit more meaningful.

Cleisthenes · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:21

mid_gen said:
Only 3% though....10% might have been a bit more meaningful.

That would be way too high imo. They still want to encourage prosperity, not kill it off

dowie · 25 Nov 2015 at 15:22

Freakbro said:
The police budget is being protected in cash terms, so is actually going to be a real term cut

such a big difference there given the current rate of inflation....