AVB leaves Chelsea (sacked)

FNGsam said:
I think much like Mr Guardiola, AVB would be a very good manager with a team that suits.

What didn't suit him was a team of players who are used to being involved even in a small way with the managerial aspect.

I'm not to convinced by Di Matteo, I think he has just let them play how they have obviously played well before and they have the belief after a few enjoying football again wins.
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When a professional football player gains experience and has played for a team for many years he shouldn't need that much input from the manager at all. Some managers feel the need to be 'hands on'. I'm sure we've all had bosses that felt the need to tell us what to do and how to do it many times and hated them for it. I suspect Di Matteo knows this and has taken a step back compared to AVB's style.
 
Different managers suit different clubs.

Managing a team like Chelsea which is full of overpaid, self obsessed egomanics (although talented) is a world away from managing a team with a limited budget full of journeymen hoofers.

Can you imagine Guardiola trying to manage Wolves this season - he would have taken them down as well.
 
MissChief said:
When a professional football player gains experience and has played for a team for many years he shouldn't need that much input from the manager at all. Some managers feel the need to be 'hands on'. I'm sure we've all had bosses that felt the need to tell us what to do and how to do it many times and hated them for it. I suspect Di Matteo knows this and has taken a step back compared to AVB's style.
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I think thats true but to be fair I think the Chelsea players have stopped learning in a sense, such that they know the best way for themselves to play so any other style (AVB's) just won't work because a) they can't play that style and b) they don't want to play that style because of the reasons you mentioned.

Football teams change on a yearly basis but Chelsea had such a set in stone key player basis (Lampard, Terry, Drogba etc) who had their preferred style of play and the new style just didn't have room for them rightly or wrongly.
 
Didnt a lot of them not like to be told what to do by a bloke almost their age, Lampard was getting dropped by a bloke a year old than him.
 
cheets64 said:
Didnt a lot of them not like to be told what to do by a bloke almost their age, Lampard was getting dropped by a bloke a year old than him.
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Beyond the papers saying its player power, and beyond fans who generally dislike Chelsea for being a team that bought titles, what evidence is there of "player power" ruling the club.

Lampard didn't like someone his own age dropping him... yet has had no problem with Di Matteo doing the same thing? IIRC the quote was that Lampard doesn't like being dropped, if the team then loses. If you're being dropped for a better player to win an important game, you can take that on the chin, if you are being dropped by a douchebag manager trying to make a point, and the team loses, seriously who wouldn't be pee'd off at that?

He certainly has improved the form of the team but and almost seems absurd to say he hasn't done brilliantly. In the league the previous 12 games under AVB they 3 wins, 3 losses, 6 draws, 7 games under Di matteo is 3 wins 3 draws and a loss. Much much better and even when you consider the loss was to City, the draws to Spurs and Arsenal, and Fulham. But they've also not played brilliant football in a lot of those games. Arsenal and Spurs were pretty much poo, wins against Stoke and Villa should be run of the mill and AVB would probably have won them and Wigan they thoroughly deserved to lose.

Anyone outside Chelsea FC can't say with any certainty if the players are ego maniac's and run the club or not, Terry's a pratt off the field, and a mouthy git on it, is that any different to Rooney, or Balotelli, or someone at just about every club. Does every club not have a player who is not happy being dropped, did Rooney seem over the moon when Fergie punished him for drinking at xmas. Players in general have big ego's, are mouthy and every club has a designated ref whinger, every club has a man ****.

90% of the stuff we heard, like about most clubs, and most transfers, and most players, was likely BS. The players being irked at the clubs ridiculous form I can believe, and I think Utd players would react the same way if they were dropping down towards 5th, or you'd expect them to.

Fact is AVB came in and lost all respect instantly with his little man routine, he came in and randomly picked a couple well liked players to for all intents and purposes fire, because he wanted to do the whole respect/control through fear. He wanted to be intimidating, he wanted to show he was better/bigger than the players there. The problem is, he did this AND didn't get the results.

You can get away with just about any kind of poor behaviour(Mourinho for instance) if you bring success with it, if Mourinho acted the way he did and took any of Chelsea/Inter/Real into 5th place, he'd be destroyed. He upset everyone, acted like a douche, and couldn't balance that with success, the only thing that got AVB fired, was himself.
 
I like how he says AVB had a little man syndrome, Wenger has been doing for seven years he ain't a world class manager anymore, not won a piece of silverware in SEVEN years, he just expects every team to roll over and let his beautiful passing team win without question or tough tackling.
 
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