ah that's a bummer!
replace dishwasher with washing machine
Awkward kitchen layout ideas - very early stage
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I wasn't including a dishwasher anyway given the already lack of space. Yeah could put washing machine under drainage board, would be quite crammed into that corner then though and washing machine doors always open left side hinges.
Such a difficult layout. The right thing to do would be to knock through (even then, all appliances would still need locating on that outside wall), but it would open up the area. I can't afford it though, simple as that.
ah yes totally overlooked that! :/
i would've thought then the right answer would be just to wait and save up
the current kitchen is serviceable and not in need for immediate replacement?
better to do it once and right, than to bodge a job and need/want to change in the future
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Maybe but Im very averse to knocking through at all really - like I said it will open up the space but then we effectively 'lose' a room as the kitchen and dining room become one. I rarely eat at a dining table so that dining room is going to become a second living room overlooking the garden. I see a dining table stuck in middle of room as such a waste of space.
I potentially like the idea of extending the kitchen longways out the back to envelop the existing outhouse (outside toilet currently in there).
This is tricky though as its a shared back to back outhouse with the neighbours and has the rear access gate attached. Id have to build new walls, reroof it, and then fill in the floor. The back gate would be replaced with a proper door and then a new door right down the end so we can still access the garden from the side entry. Its a lot of work to gain space for a couple additional appliances.
even knocking through the neighbours example shows how much less storage they have in kitchen (everything on inner wall gone, replaced by radiator; even though fridge&washer outside)
could your outhouse take a freezer?
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Yes if i remove the outside toilet that's in there. Would be a hassle though, having to go outside every time I want a frozen chicken burger.
yeah agreed, would consider a chest freezer in the outhouse, but definitely would want a freezer in the kitchen to store the main stuff
PITA to have to go out in the freezing winter just to get stuff. as someone who has done it when i was renting previously, would not recommend.
fine for HMOs, not really if it's your home
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can do it two stages - put fridge freezer in new planned location first;
the wasted/unrecoverable space you'd have( with sink-end plan) where washing machine is now is problematic - the sink moves and you effectively just gain one underneath cupboard,
plus the sink is already beneath a window, and that good light becomes wasted (a bit) although new sink gives better view;
just having a work top, at door end with washer on right and also removing cupboards/w-surface on inner wall (china to dining room) would create more space, even a breakfast bar(prep-table) to replace them.
the wasted/unrecoverable space you'd have( with sink-end plan) where washing machine is now is problematic - the sink moves and you effectively just gain one underneath cupboard,
plus the sink is already beneath a window, and that good light becomes wasted (a bit) although new sink gives better view;
just having a work top, at door end with washer on right and also removing cupboards/w-surface on inner wall (china to dining room) would create more space, even a breakfast bar(prep-table) to replace them.
What' s on the wall the other side of the Elec and Gas meter? DNO and Gas Transport should not charge more than a couple of hundred each to move the service to the other side of the wall. Only thing then would be the consumer unit and that can stay where it is without causing too much trouble.
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A 1m wide (wall to wall) shared entry passageway between the two houses.
See the gas pipe entering the property just below the small window on the left, about half way along the entry passageway? Thats where the gas and electricity meters are on the inside.
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No reason you couldn't move the meter out there, as a service attachment it's part of your building and I would expect you own a 50% share of that access way.A 1m wide (wall to wall) shared entry passageway between the two houses.
See the gas pipe entering the property just below the small window on the left, about half way along the entry passageway? Thats where the gas and electricity meters are on the inside.
Fyi I work for one of the largest energy suppliers in Europe, we do this sort of meter move all the time.
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I'll look into it. I can see it might be possible to fit an electricity meter cabinet there but the gas meter is quite a lot larger and I don't want to impede the entry passage too much as need to be able to get the recycling bin down there.
You reckon only a couple hundred per service? Would they do all the excavation to access the service or would I do that in advance?
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Looks like 225mm protrusion, which could be ok.
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Id be very surprised though if moving both these meters only costs me a couple hundred each. I bet its more like £1k each.
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What I might be able to do is fit an inset electric and gas meter cabinet.
I was already planning to get that small window bricked up (it's already blocked on the inside). Potentially the opening is already the right size for an inset electric meter cabinet, and I just brick up or frame up the inside skin.
Then directly below it it might be possible to remove the outer skin of the wall and fit an inset gas cabinet. There is already a double airbrick there which could form the start of the opening.
I was already planning to get that small window bricked up (it's already blocked on the inside). Potentially the opening is already the right size for an inset electric meter cabinet, and I just brick up or frame up the inside skin.
Then directly below it it might be possible to remove the outer skin of the wall and fit an inset gas cabinet. There is already a double airbrick there which could form the start of the opening.
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Gonna throw you a curve ball here.
If your seriously thinking of moving the meters, bricking up the back door to wrapping around onto that wall.
Your plan had the sink there I believe.
Why not open up the place where the window is and reinstall the backdoor there, so you keep the light and access.
Have the door opening against the tall corner cupboard, and place the fridge freezer there?
I had a similarish layout in a previous house and it works well having the fridge freezer and back door in effect sharing the same access space.
(For clarity I mean the back door opening into the kitchen would back onto the front of the fridge freezer. The fridge freezer doors would also use that same space.)
If your seriously thinking of moving the meters, bricking up the back door to wrapping around onto that wall.
Your plan had the sink there I believe.
Why not open up the place where the window is and reinstall the backdoor there, so you keep the light and access.
Have the door opening against the tall corner cupboard, and place the fridge freezer there?
I had a similarish layout in a previous house and it works well having the fridge freezer and back door in effect sharing the same access space.
(For clarity I mean the back door opening into the kitchen would back onto the front of the fridge freezer. The fridge freezer doors would also use that same space.)
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Im struggling to understand/visualise what you are meaning unfortunately.
Are you potentially talking about putting the tall fridge freezer where the boiler currently is, in the back corner next to the existing back door?
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Ah ok thanks. Means I'd have to move the boiler too, which would be expensive and disruptive.
Pretty nightmare kitchen this. Small space and everything under the sun is currently in it.