Baa baa rainbow sheep..?

[Nix]

I'm pretty sure "Black" and "Rainbow" are in most children's vocabulary anyway at that age. So that basically makes that reasoning invalid. If they want to improve vocabulary, why don't they change the word to "anonymous" or some form of obscure adjective?

 

[Rich_L]

I'm curious as to what makes it more true, other than the fact that you would prefer it to be true?

Surely it is merely just a conflicting discourse?

Presumably if it's false we can await a report disclaiming the PACT policy as a lie, no?

I would consider the absence of such a report (after all, they are saying the newspapers got it wrong, wouldn't they want to prove themselves right?) pretty damning evidence of who is telling the truth.

That said the press release is pretty new, so I reckon 48 hours or so should be enough for the media to formulate a response to protect their integrity.

 

[cleanbluesky]

No - because it is a statement made by those that run the schools on which the newspaper articles are based.

There's no conflict, no discourse, no nothing.

After the event of negative publicity, do you think they would not try the same of their own?

Not that I am saying its untrue of course, but PACT denial isn't neccesarily "The Truth"

 

[cleanbluesky]

Presumably if it's false we can await a report disclaiming the PACT policy as a lie, no?

I would consider the absence of such a report (after all, they are saying the newspapers got it wrong, wouldn't they want to prove themselves right?) pretty damning evidence of who is telling the truth.

That said the press release is pretty new, so I reckon 48 hours or so should be enough for the media to formulate a response to protect their integrity.

I don't think we will see it again, its an example of hit and run reporting by the papers. Regardless of whether it is true or not the papers have achieved their aim

 

[Freefaller]

Whether it is part of the PACT or not, it's still ridiculous.

Besides I don't believe in "race" - we are the human "race", we're all the same species. I don't understand why people get so excited about it.

 

[Visage]

Regardless of whether it is true or not the papers have achieved their aim

I agree. But why is it that the usual suspects on the forums repeatedly fall over themselves to help them?

You'd think after 'nitty gritty', 'Piggy Banks banned', Winterval etc that people would be a little less eager to make fools of themselves.

 

[Arcade Fire]

You don't think that there have been concerted efforts to change the perception of the public on issues such as race and religion then. You don't think that there has been concerted effort made to ensure that ethnic minorites/women/homosexuals/disabled feel valued and that this has resulted in some utterly crazy and over the top "PC gone mad" suggestions and policies?

What I actually said was

"I'm certain that there's no 'PC' conspiracy trying to stop us from using the word black."

The rest is all extrapolation on your part.

 

[Borris]

After the event of negative publicity, do you think they would not try the same of their own?

Not that I am saying its untrue of course, but PACT denial isn't neccesarily "The Truth"

As far as I was aware, it hit the papers yesterday - I wouldn't expect any group running nursery schools to issue press statements on syllabus / policy, unless in reaction to stories, be they positive or negative.

There's no reason to suggest that PACT would suddenly backtrack or make excuses for established policy.

I don't think we will see it again, its an example of hit and run reporting by the papers. Regardless of whether it is true or not the papers have achieved their aim

PC as the bogeyman - right up there with Terrorism and the French.

 

[Borris]

Whether it is part of the PACT or not, it's still ridiculous.

Besides I don't believe in "race" - we are the human "race", we're all the same species. I don't understand why people get so excited about it.

Did you miss the point? PACT did not change the words for any reason other that to get children clapping and performing actions to a song.

 

[Freeman]

lmfao.

Is all i have to say about that.

 

[Borris]

But why is it that the usual suspects on the forums repeatedly fall over themselves to help them?

And the usual suspect repeatedly fall over themselves to find out the real story.

 

[Freefaller]

Did you miss the point? PACT did not change the words for any reason other that to get children clapping and performing actions to a song.

I know what it was about - but it's a heresy changing words of nursery rhymes!!

I don't really think it would help that much tbh, heck I studied in 2 languages and learnt the words fine without being taught bastardised poems and nursery rhymes. Bring back the old days!

I'm surprised that the way the article was written didn't highlight the fact about PACT I must say.

 

[cleanbluesky]

I agree. But why is it that the usual suspects on the forums repeatedly fall over themselves to help them?

You'd think after 'nitty gritty', 'Piggy Banks banned', Winterval etc that people would be a little less eager to make fools of themselves.

I have known people to make PC decisions and I think that PC attitudes are just far more noticable when they come to race... i think there is lots of PC stupidity covering a range of issues...

What we have seen from with regards to various PC sensations is claim then counter-claim and it has left me wonder whether anything is true either way

 

[cleanbluesky]

And the usual suspect repeatedly fall over themselves to find out the real story.

finding a counter claim that agrees with something that you would like to believe doesn't qualify as "the real story"

Again, we see claim and counter claim. Soon such things aren't going to be worth commenting on either way because of all the crap in it and the idea that a few people lose manners quickly over this issue

 

[Borris]

I know what it was about - but it's a heresy changing words of nursery rhymes!!

I don't really think it would help that much tbh, heck I studied in 2 languages and learnt the words fine without being taught bastardised poems and nursery rhymes. Bring back the old days!

I'm surprised that the way the article was written didn't highlight the fact about PACT I must say.

You would hate Andrew Dice Clay then.

Jack and Jill went up the hill
Each with a buck and a quarter
Jill came down with 2.50
...*

*Censored for fwagile ittle ears.

 

[cleanbluesky]

I know what it was about - but it's a heresy changing words of nursery rhymes!!

I don't really think it would help that much tbh, heck I studied in 2 languages and learnt the words fine without being taught bastardised poems and nursery rhymes. Bring back the old days!

I'm surprised that the way the article was written didn't highlight the fact about PACT I must say.

I've never heard of that and I also wonder whether nurserys dont have some kind of syllabus they are expected to stick to and the justification for possible deviation from that...

 

[Arcade Fire]

Let's just start a generic thread that can be stickied so that we don't have to go through all this rigmarole every time:

VIRII/cleanbluesky/AJUK etc. can all have a few posts linking to a story about Christmas being banned, or lyrics to nursery rhymes being changed, and then a few other randoms can come in and say that it's disgraceful.

Then either myself, Visage, Borris, phykell etc. can chime in with a press release which demonstrates that it's all been blown out of proportion and is largely media hype.

Then the original lot can accuse of of trying to ignore the issues, while we try and argue that whilst the issues are there, they're being sensationalised beyond belief.

We can have four pages of that, and then it can have a big fat padlock at the end, and we'd be done with it. It would save so much hassle.

 

[Borris]

finding a counter claim that agrees with something that you would like to believe doesn't qualify as "the real story"

The original source, or statements from the original protagonist, count for infintely more than derivative Op Ed or regurgitated, selective pulp from the mass media.

You make a big assumption, infering that, because I look to the source, it is becuse I want to believe.

I prefer to make my mind up based upon the most likely and plausible explanations. Call me a desciple of Occam's razor of you will.

Again, we see claim and counter claim. Soon such things aren't going to be worth commenting on either way because of all the crap in it and the idea that a few people lose manners quickly over this issue

Your second sentence makes no sense.

 

[Visage]

Let's just start a generic thread that can be stickied so that we don't have to go through all this rigmarole every time:

VIRII/cleanbluesky/AJUK etc. can all have a few posts linking to a story about Christmas being banned, or lyrics to nursery rhymes being changed, and then a few other randoms can come in and say that it's disgraceful.

Then either myself, Visage, Borris, phykell etc. can chime in with a press release which demonstrates that it's all been blown out of proportion and is largely media hype.

Then the original lot can accuse of of trying to ignore the issues, while we try and argue that whilst the issues are there, they're being sensationalised beyond belief.

We can have four pages of that, and then it can have a big fat padlock at the end, and we'd be done with it. It would save so much hassle.

Genius.

 

[cleanbluesky]

The original source, or statements from the original protagonist, count for infintely more than derivative Op Ed or regurgitated, selective pulp from the mass media.

A statement released after a media frenzy is not authoritative, it merely offers the Official Position of the group in question.