Bad CBT Experience - looking for some advice

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So today I did my CBT and passed. Apologies in advance for the length of the following post, but I was close to jacking it all in when I first got back and need to get this off my chest.

I have no idea how I passed as the whole thing seemed to be a disaster in my eyes.
There were two of us and one instructor. We did 3 hours yard training before going out onto the road for two. The other guy who couldnt drive or ride seemed to take to it like a duck to water. I struggled with low speed manouvres because I couldn't get my head around riding the clutch, maintaing the revs and feathering the rear brake. I have driven for 20 years without accident and grew up with a push bike day in day out, but the co-ordinating myself wasnt coming as easily as it did for the other guy.

This is when the intstructor seemed to start with the snide comments, buddying up with the star pupil who was 20 years my junior,and generally being a bit of a git.

I should have seen this as a sign of things to come, so decided to persevere and after lunch we were out on the road. We left the yard and made our first right turn. I was still not 100% in doing this in a controlled fashion, but with a little correction made the turn and carried on. From this point onwards, it seemed to go downhill. At the next right turn, I was running a little fast entering the turn, and as I had done in the yard instinctively grabbed at the front brake and hit the deck. After ensuring I wasnt injured, the instructor was on me like a rabid dog f-ing and jeffing about why am I grabbing the front brake.

So off we go again and again I made the same error making a right turn and again he unleashed another verbal burst. By this point I was all ready to leave the bike and him, but after a quick breather I tried again and things started to improve a bit.

At this point we are off into a housing estate and going around in circles and I am making progress, or at least I thought I was. I was more controlled and doing all my checks correctly and he was actually praising me. Then completely out of the blue a voice in my ear says 'I cant believe you can drive a car'

By this point I am more or less totally deflated as we head back to the yard. During our return drive we were required to join a dual carriageway and give it some welly. I had no problem at all with this, and was both safe and relaxed. Unfortunately thats where it ended, on the leaving the dual carriageway I dropped too many gears on the slip road, there was no indicator on the bike and the rev counter didnt work. As soon as I started to let the clutch out the rear wheel locked. I managed to stop safely all be it a little shaken, but the instructor went into meltdown telling me I'd 'sealed my fate' amongst other things.

Back at the yard I lose my rag with him, because he was still harping on about the front brake issue and how that had caused me to lock the back wheel which didnt make any sense to me. I explained what had actually happened and suggested if he hadnt been verbally bashing me when it happened I may have stood some chance of recovering instead of bringing the bike to a stop in panic.

Another small torrent of abuse followed and I walked away back to my car to calm down.
10 mins later he comes over and apologises for his reaction and tells me I have passed.
I told him clearly that if I wasnt up to the required standard (and I didnt think I was) that he shouldnt issue a pass, but he did regardless.

So now I am in a position where I have completed the CBT, but dont have enough confidence in my low speed manouvres to feel comfortable on the road.

I have no doubt I need more practice in general control, but is the standard of 'training' I have received today the norm?

Can I do the CBT again with a different instructor who has some concept of teaching?

Any advice would be gratefully received?
 
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Too long, CBA to read

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Things to do before choosing a school/instructor.
-Do a bit of research, ask around and read reviews online
-Don't get put off by unprofessional instructor, a guy who dropped a bike on my leg passed his CBT. (can happen to anyone, right?)
-Sometimes going with a small family ran business is better, than going with a big brand. I hated my driving lessons with Bill Plant, switched to a self-employed learning instructor and it went downhill from there. Same with CBT, I went with a family ran business. When you're the boss, you want customers so you act in a professional manner.

If you've your certificate, just go out in hours when there's barely any traffic and ride around. If you don't have a car license, study the highway code a bit. Practise is all you need, theory is just theory...

One last thing, gear up! 125 can hit 60-70mph and if you look at my last crash you'll see why everyone says to gear up properly. Get a D30 Level 2 back protector, they're like 30 quid and can save you from being paralysed for the rest of your life. ;)
 
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Sounds like a truly awful instructor. That said, for some reason you've passed and doing another CBT course isn't going to improve things much. If you want to get more confidence go out there and ride, and consider just taking some other lessons. Maybe find some other riders who can help too - my brother's just bought a geared bike after 30 years of not riding, and we've been having quite a bit of fun just going out and getting him confident and up to speed. It just takes a little patience and practice.
 
Too long, CBA to read
:rolleyes: It's not that long.

mjd - no - that's not the sort of training you should expect from a decent training provider.

Sounds like a right dodgy outfit tbh, don't let it tarr your experience of biking, there are plenty of very very good companies out there. Find one, and there's nothing stopping you from doing you CBT again - it's just a bit of paper that validates your L entitlement on yout licence.

Are you looking to get a 125 or to move up to doing your full test? Any decent school will do lessons either on a 125cc or a big bike.
 
Too long, CBA to read

**** was the point in posting then? Don't be a dick, it's not that long.

You have more patience than I do, the first sign of verbal abuse from an instructor id be in his face, shouldn't stand for that **** even though people think they should because they've paid for a lesson.

You can rip up the CBT cert and go with another if you like.
 
I have (perhaps getting ahead of myself) already picked up a cb125f, so I have the wherewithal to get out and practice.

I think if the instructor had reigned in his emotions a bit,and not bashed me over an open to all comms system, I would have been able to get on top of it. The other thing that may not have helped was I got lumped with the older bike which was covered in bird droppings for one, and having thought about it now, seemed to have a huge amount of travel in the clutch before biting. (Yeah yeah...a bad workman etc.... ;))

I have looked around tonight for options for just general lessons but I haven't turned anything up as yet, as they don't seem to mention such things, so I need to ring around.The instructor today said he was self employed and works out of a few other local schools when they are short handed,so they are off the list.

I am confident that I have the safety and road sense to ride, I just need some fine tuning. I think I'll get the bike taxed and insured tomorrow, and then head out for some early morning practice runs while the weather and daylight is on side

If anyone is passing through this neck of the woods, and fancies watching my aerobatics, feel free to join me :D
 
My experience of my CBT was fine with the instructor however I also found the bike to be a bit ****. They actually ended up putting me on the rev and ride for the on-road portion. Anyway, as soon as i got back I went out on my CBR125 and it was just totally different in such a good way. So, as you've put in your last post, absolutely get the bike taxed insured etc. and get out on it and do your own practise :) Before i went for my Mod1, I spent a good amount of time in tesco car park using the painted car park spaces to do slalom's and turns in the road etc. etc. which i feel helped my slow-speed maneuvering. Maybe this would help you too :) Enjoy :D
 
Sounds like the instructor was a bit of a bell end tbh. Don't let it put you off, but do some research before continuing with lessons. Pay for a riding school with good reviews and sense the atmosphere when you get there. If it feels off, simply leave and keep your cash. You should under no circumstances have to put up with such an unproffessional attitude.
 
Thank you for the advice and reassurance chaps. I have calmed down this morning and have been assessing my shortcomings. I have a nearby quiet route in mind and will get the bike ready to go today.
I realise now that it wasn't so much the process of riding, rather the process of correcting my errors I was struggling with, which became harder still with a tit in my ear.

On a different note, are all instructors chain smokers? I mean, literally, if he wasn't talking/shouting, he had a fag in his mouth.
 
Sounds like a bit of a nightmare mate.
If it makes you feel any better, I dropped the bike on my training doing exactly the same thing - it happens.
The clutch feathering take around a day for it to sink in (For me it did anyway). I also drive a car, so had the same issues.

The next day I got out on the bike, it was far easier, as the clutch control was a lot better, meaning more focus on the road!
Onwards and upwards my friend! :)

Let us know how you get on.
 
Thanks, really appreciate the guidance and encouragement. Just a shame it's raining now
 
There are w**kers in all professions, its just you were unlucky enough to meet this guy ion a bad day by the sounds of it. Riding a motorbike at the beginning is not an easy task but have belief and confidence in your own ability and you will be just as good as anyone out there after some practice.

You have your CBT now and retaking it will just be a waste of money. To be frank with you its almost impossible to fail a CBT so they are not considered the most important passes. You attended the course right? You can remember what he covered right? Get yourself to a carpark and practice some of the manoeuvres that you found the most challenging and i can assure you that after a couple of hours or even an hour you will be 10 times more confident.

A couple of things that you should remember when you go on the road. Always have your lights on, day or night. Always use your indicators. Leave that front brake alone for now and take your time with the gears, nothing wrong with stalling it.

Good luck and enjoy the ride. There is nothing like it.
 
There seems to be a lot of this going around, my GF is currently learning to ride and honestly some of the training centres around here I wouldn't trust them to teach someone how to ride a push bike, and one of them honestly the way they treat and abuse people because they don't learn at the speed they want them to learn at made me want to go down there myself... I know internet hard man and all that.... : p

Gone seems to be the days where these places were run by honest riders who genuinely wanted to help people get on the road, all they seem to care about now is getting your money as fast as possible and not caring if they pass or fail.

Mjd I wouldn't go and do the CBT again but do you have any friends/family you could go out and ride with or anyone here on the forums local, you will learn far more going out with experienced riders.
 
Things to do before choosing a school/instructor.
-Do a bit of research, ask around and read reviews online
-Don't get put off by unprofessional instructor, a guy who dropped a bike on my leg passed his CBT. (can happen to anyone, right?)
-Sometimes going with a small family ran business is better, than going with a big brand. I hated my driving lessons with Bill Plant, switched to a self-employed learning instructor and it went downhill from there. Same with CBT, I went with a family ran business. When you're the boss, you want customers so you act in a professional manner.

If you've your certificate, just go out in hours when there's barely any traffic and ride around. If you don't have a car license, study the highway code a bit. Practise is all you need, theory is just theory...

One last thing, gear up! 125 can hit 60-70mph and if you look at my last crash you'll see why everyone says to gear up properly. Get a D30 Level 2 back protector, they're like 30 quid and can save you from being paralysed for the rest of your life. ;)

**** was the point in posting then? Don't be a ****, it's not that long.

You have more patience than I do, the first sign of verbal abuse from an instructor id be in his face, shouldn't stand for that **** even though people think they should because they've paid for a lesson.

You can rip up the CBT cert and go with another if you like.
So much anger lately Clov!s, go and talk to someone dude...
 
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Things to do before choosing a school/instructor.
-Do a bit of research, ask around and read reviews online
-Don't get put off by unprofessional instructor, a guy who dropped a bike on my leg passed his CBT. (can happen to anyone, right?)
-Sometimes going with a small family ran business is better, than going with a big brand. I hated my driving lessons with Bill Plant, switched to a self-employed learning instructor and it went downhill from there. Same with CBT, I went with a family ran business. When you're the boss, you want customers so you act in a professional manner.

If you've your certificate, just go out in hours when there's barely any traffic and ride around. If you don't have a car license, study the highway code a bit. Practise is all you need, theory is just theory...

One last thing, gear up! 125 can hit 60-70mph and if you look at my last crash you'll see why everyone says to gear up properly. Get a D30 Level 2 back protector, they're like 30 quid and can save you from being paralysed for the rest of your life. ;)


So much anger lately Clov!s, go and talk to someone dude...

Not angry at all i'm just not afraid to call someone out when they are being an arse. There was no need for your reply, should have just stayed out of it if you weren't going to be helpful.
 
You've got the piece of paper, you've got the bike. Just get out and practise, practise, practise.

Find a quiet car park/industrial estate and go nuts, you'll find it comes to you much easier without some tit shouting in your ear.

In my opinion the cbt isn't worth the paper it's written on anyway, in this world of health and safety I can't believe it's still allowed.

Apologies as I'm probably repeating what's already been said but I'm just having a quick browse on my phone.
 
Not angry at all i'm just not afraid to call someone out when they are being an arse. There was no need for your reply, should have just stayed out of it if you weren't going to be helpful.
You've no sense of humour...
In my opinion the cbt isn't worth the paper it's written on anyway, in this world of health and safety I can't believe it's still allowed.
+1
 
I was discussing this at length last night with my wife, and we both came to the same conclusion regarding the worthiness of the CBT as preparation for hitting the road on a bike.
As I have probably overstated several times, I have been driving for 20 years + and feel I have sufficient road sense and awareness to potentially ride in a sensible and logical manner, without putting myself or anyone else in danger. Even then I have never felt 100% bulletproof on the road, because there are just too many unknown variables.

Yet someone with little or no motoring experience can do their CBT, and there appears to be a lot of variation in terms of what actually constitutes basic training.

In all fairness to my potty mouthed instructor, he did seem to cover all the elements (though we only emergency stopped in the yard), but he just seemed to lack any ability in diagnosing and correcting problems. It was more a case of, this is how you do it, and if you can do it then ************** etc....
 
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