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cavemanoc said:Really?
Not forgetting:
Nothing about DX10 in there
As i said further up, we know a DX9 card can run Vista, but not fully, to run it fully requires a DX10 card.
A DX9 card will run it without the DX10 features, so not fully, be like a cut down version as the DX10 features will be disabled.
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LoadsaMoney said:As i said further up, we know a DX9 card can run Vista, but not fully, to run it fully requires a DX10 card.
A DX9 card will run it without the DX10 features, so not fully, be like a cut down version as the DX10 features will be disabled.
That's not what Microsoft say. You got an MS link for that?
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You don't need a link, Vista is DX10, DX9 can't possibly run its DX10 features, so will run it using Vistas DX9L which allows it to be used on a DX9 card, but it will still not be full Vista as the DX10 features will not work on a DX9 card, be a cut down version as i said. 
Like the new Crysis game, thats been running on an x1900 under DX9, but thats gona be DX10 to, and the only way you'll get the DX10 features is a DX10 card for it, so that wil be stripped down if ran on a DX9 card, as you can't run the full thing, i.e its DX10 stuff.
Eventually games won't use DX9 at all so you will have no option but to get a DX10 card, Halo 2 is going to be the first, will not work at all on DX9, its DX10 only, so you need a DX10 card for it, but i can't see that happeneing for donks, well just get games stripped down with the DX10 features disabled.
They have to make them DX9 compatible as DX10 cards are not out yet, and when they are out they would have no market to do just DX10 stuff, as not everyone would buy DX10 cards, they would lose an absolute huge DX9 market etc.. market.
Like the new Crysis game, thats been running on an x1900 under DX9, but thats gona be DX10 to, and the only way you'll get the DX10 features is a DX10 card for it, so that wil be stripped down if ran on a DX9 card, as you can't run the full thing, i.e its DX10 stuff.
Eventually games won't use DX9 at all so you will have no option but to get a DX10 card, Halo 2 is going to be the first, will not work at all on DX9, its DX10 only, so you need a DX10 card for it, but i can't see that happeneing for donks, well just get games stripped down with the DX10 features disabled.
They have to make them DX9 compatible as DX10 cards are not out yet, and when they are out they would have no market to do just DX10 stuff, as not everyone would buy DX10 cards, they would lose an absolute huge DX9 market etc.. market.
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Yep - I see what you're trying to say - Vista itself will have no issues on a DX9 card (the aeroglass interface will look exactly the same no matter which version of DX you're running) - All that's happened is that MS have integrated DX10 into the OS to allow greater control over your resourses (GFX / memory etc...)
Saying Vista is DX10 is a little confusing. Yes you will need a DX10 compatible card to use some of the DX10 'features' (Pixel Shader 4, Full polygon shading, predicted Rendering etc...) But that's nothing new - you couldn't use Pixel Shader 3 routines on the older cards when it came out.
As far as I'm concerned Vista and DX10 are 2 seperate entities (much as MS would have us see differently) If you mean your GFX won't shine as much because they can't run the new 'features' then yes. But that doesn't mean you're not getting the 'full' Vista experience. Vista will look the same whatever your GFX card - it's just your games that will look different and play slower.
However - that's really not the point of this thread:
For once MS really are not to blame - it's the board manufacturers and the guys at the heart of HDRM that are selling us short. And while it is true that early implimenters of HD-DVD's are 'suspending' the DRM side, that doesn't give you any protection in the long term - new media will simply not play, and of course - at any time the guys controlling the firmware update can remove your player's license and stop your kit in it's tracks- now that's insideous!
Saying Vista is DX10 is a little confusing. Yes you will need a DX10 compatible card to use some of the DX10 'features' (Pixel Shader 4, Full polygon shading, predicted Rendering etc...) But that's nothing new - you couldn't use Pixel Shader 3 routines on the older cards when it came out.
As far as I'm concerned Vista and DX10 are 2 seperate entities (much as MS would have us see differently) If you mean your GFX won't shine as much because they can't run the new 'features' then yes. But that doesn't mean you're not getting the 'full' Vista experience. Vista will look the same whatever your GFX card - it's just your games that will look different and play slower.
However - that's really not the point of this thread:
For once MS really are not to blame - it's the board manufacturers and the guys at the heart of HDRM that are selling us short. And while it is true that early implimenters of HD-DVD's are 'suspending' the DRM side, that doesn't give you any protection in the long term - new media will simply not play, and of course - at any time the guys controlling the firmware update can remove your player's license and stop your kit in it's tracks- now that's insideous!
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Yeah its got nothing to do with MS this, so you can't blame them.
Tbh, I'll just watch older DVD's in lower quality, as they're better films.
I've not really been interested in _Any_ recent films. (aside from X:last stand)
Maybe everyone will go apple
There will be some brand that "accidentally" manages to fluff up the registry chips on their products so it can play anything.
I've not really been interested in _Any_ recent films. (aside from X:last stand
)Maybe everyone will go apple
There will be some brand that "accidentally" manages to fluff up the registry chips on their products so it can play anything.
After reading that it's clear then that the board manufacturers and ATi are to blame for the lack of HDCP. As the guy said, the decoder chip needs to be added to the board design, its got nothing to do with the GPU/VPU itself, and Nvidia don't make their own boards like ATi. Seems like people knew but didn't do anything....
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Unfortunatel the poor consumers who buy those products will find them blacklisted and unable to play any HD content - even though you've done nothing wrong your kit will be rendered useless - think that'll be covered by the warranty?
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I cant believe M$ did this!!! (j/king)
Really stupid on the part of ATI and Nvidia that they didnt implement something that could have easily saved people upgrading and changing cards. I`m also shocked with the number of HD dvd TVs (monitors up to 19" i can understand not being pushed in to HDCP support) being sold with HD ready on them, but no support for protected content. Truly quite shocking what companies are trying to get away with due to customers not understanding what is needed in the future.
I still think HDCP will be hacked within 1 year of release so that HDCP Gcard, monitor and drive will not be required and the ability for discs to disable the blueray/HD dvd is out.
Really stupid on the part of ATI and Nvidia that they didnt implement something that could have easily saved people upgrading and changing cards. I`m also shocked with the number of HD dvd TVs (monitors up to 19" i can understand not being pushed in to HDCP support) being sold with HD ready on them, but no support for protected content. Truly quite shocking what companies are trying to get away with due to customers not understanding what is needed in the future.
I still think HDCP will be hacked within 1 year of release so that HDCP Gcard, monitor and drive will not be required and the ability for discs to disable the blueray/HD dvd is out.
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Agreed.
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How can they "remotly blacklist it"? They can't make us conencted to the internet...
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If you’ve just spent $1000 on a pair of Radeon X1900 XT graphics cards expecting to be able to playback HD-DVD or Blu-Ray movies at 1920x1080 resolution in the future, you’ve just wasted your money.
thats the best quote of the article lol.
thats the best quote of the article lol.
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Yeah lol, but you would'nt go X-fire to watch movies though, you go X-fire/SLi for gaming.
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LoadsaMoney said:Yeah lol, but you would'nt go X-fire to watch movies though, you go X-fire/SLi for gaming.
Init!
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cavemanoc said:Each disk will contain a list - new disk will have updated lists that will automatically update your kit - so each HD-DVD might be your last - dvd-roulette, roll on the fun
Yea, but how do they know its cracked? There is no communication to the outside world
