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Bad time to buy a high-end CPU?

If you're looking to save some but still have a top end gaming system, you could buy x570 with fast ram and pcie 4 nvme then for now just drop in a 3600x for a year or so. Go twelve core on next zen release. You'll then have the best of everything bar an x670 board on release, which shouldn't matter if you buy a good x570 board now.
 
@BuToNz I agree, I normally never get new hardware on release as there is always a bedding in process so I get it normally at least a quarter later. Saying that, I'm glad I got the 3900X pretty much at launch with what has happened to the pricing since.
I did have a quickly resolved issue with a Tomahawk not setting the RAM voltage correctly and now things are working well (with latest bios) and will probably just get better with maturity. This happens even with GPU's like your 2080Ti.

You might also consider the 9700K as all the benchmarks I've seen show it just the odd frame behind the 9900K but the 9700K's will on the whole overclock higher. It was relatively easily to get mine to 5.3Ghz and I would think many will get to ~5.2Ghz.
 
I’ve not had a good experience going from my old 4770k to a 3900x. Loads of problems. The bios is very buggy, good cpu though but I haven’t got the time or energy to sit around trying to get something to work, so ended up back on my 4770k!!
 
4K8KW10 said:
i7 9700 with disabled HT is not the top i7.
i7-8700 had 12 threads, that^^^ only has 8 threads. It is a downgrade.
The 14nm production is old and extremely mature by now. Hence it must be cheap.
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the 9700k is a top cpu and beats the 8700 in most area’s and let’s be honest the 9700 is a much more secure cpu for not having hyper threading :)

the 8700k I allways thought was a strange processor from intel allways felt like a knee jerk reaction from intel 3 or 4 months to early (poor 7700k user didn’t even have a year and new mobo was needed ) it ran to way to hot and requires deluding.

intel decided to bring the brand of i9 to the desktop cpu socket and then charge a premium for the best cpu available at the time and then make it even more limited stock then the 3900x.

as for the 14nm being cheap to produce since it so old maybe it is cheaper to produce or maybe 7nm is cheaper to produce we don’t know. But intel is the major player in the computing world. And u are going f
 
£479 12 core 24 thread 3900x with the latest ABBA bios is a sweet rig for both content creation and gaming...

It’s an excellent cpu if you can get one :D
 
easyrider said:
£479 12 core 24 thread 3900x with the latest ABBA bios is a sweet rig for both content creation and gaming...

It’s an excellent cpu if you can get one :D
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Dream on. I can afford it but AMD will not receive a single penny from me for that mess.
I would rather wait for a cheaper 65W Ryzen 9 3900 or a proper mainstream 12-core Ryzen 7 4000 SKU.

:D
 
BuToNz said:
Really good response, pretty much echos my feelings at the moment. There's a little of me which wants to stick Intel because that's what has been at the top end for gaming but I'm seeing Intel taking the p**s with prices. I think if the 3900x was retail price at the moment I'd have already jumped on it.
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You could get a 3600 to tide you over for a year then upgrade to a 4900/4950
 
Martini1991 said:
I'd buy a 3900X in your shoes.

It's the most expensive CPU I've ever bought, but I'm hoping that it'll come into its own more and more.
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mid not, you could always try next years 4900x. That's what keeps me interested - the 3900x isn't quite the chip I want but if I move to X570 there is some hope that the 4900x might be
 
4K8KW10 said:
The 14nm process was introduced in Q2 2015. Now, it's Q4 2019. Please, explain how a 14nm CPU can cost $488-$499.
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Because the market can sustain such a price that's why. If Intel weren't able to sell there products at that level the price would soon drop.

Praz94 said:
Why not go for a threadripper?
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A bit of an unknown quantity at this point, 1st gen TR was exactly the best of gaming and in all honesty what typical workloads can you do on a Threadripper that can't be done on a 3900X or 3950X just as well if not better that would warrant moving to a more expensive platform?
 
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Freddie1980 said:
Because the market can sustain such a price that's why. If Intel weren't able to sell there products at that level the price would soon drop.


A bit of an unknown quantity at this point, 1st gen TR was exactly the best of gaming and in all honesty what typical workloads can you do on a Threadripper that can't be done on a 3900X or 3950X just as well if not better that would warrant moving to a more expensive platform?
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Fair enough, I was under the impression that gaming wasn't your main concern but I misread the OP.

In that case, I would say definitely go for the 3900x or 3950x, but if you're in no big rush then you could wait for the 4000 series and get one of those chips
 
Freddie1980 said:
Because the market can sustain such a price that's why. If Intel weren't able to sell there products at that level the price would soon drop.
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The market cannot sustain such prices. This is why intel sold only around 4000 CPUs in the whole months of September, while AMD sold as many as 19000 CPUs.
AMD's Ryzen 7 3700X, Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 2600 separately outsell the entire intel lineup.

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4K8KW10 said:
The market cannot sustain such prices. This is why intel sold only around 4000 CPUs in the whole months of September, while AMD sold as many as 19000 CPUs.
AMD's Ryzen 7 3700X, Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 2600 separately outsell the entire intel lineup.
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Unfortunately Intel don't really care. First of all, they can't make enough of the CPU's to sell, so the ones they do sell are inflated and so Intel makes a lot more per CPU sold than AMD. For every 1 Intel CPU sold, AMD probably have to sell 10 CPU's to make the same profit.

Intel unfortunately have a major share of the desktop CPU market, the don't need to sell the same amount of CPU's as AMD. Intel can sit back and just sell a few CPU's at an inflated profit margin and wait things out.
 
4K8KW10 said:
The market cannot sustain such prices. This is why intel sold only around 4000 CPUs in the whole months of September, while AMD sold as many as 19000 CPUs.
AMD's Ryzen 7 3700X, Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 2600 separately outsell the entire intel lineup.

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One German retailer does not represent the market. Intel can't make enough CPU's to keep up with demand and are investing heavily into extra production capacity.
 
ljt said:
Unfortunately Intel don't really care. First of all, they can't make enough of the CPU's to sell, so the ones they do sell are inflated and so Intel makes a lot more per CPU sold than AMD. For every 1 Intel CPU sold, AMD probably have to sell 10 CPU's to make the same profit.

Intel unfortunately have a major share of the desktop CPU market, the don't need to sell the same amount of CPU's as AMD. Intel can sit back and just sell a few CPU's at an inflated profit margin and wait things out.
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Edit: quoted wrong person.
 
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