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Bad time to buy a high-end CPU?

Intel really need to sort out their security issues if I was to ever consider them again, especially for a high-end chip that's expected to last many years. This is the downside to re-using old architectures for so long due to a lack of competition.
 
ljt said:
Eh? I can see 4 AMD Epyc single socket servers and 3 Dual socket enterprise servers on their site...
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I just looked, I couldn't see a single AMD offering in any of the pages I checked, though don't have time to check more than a couple of the most obvious/popular offerings (I checked poweredge, Rack mounted and the special offerings, none of which offered AMD.

If you do some more research, you'l find that if you actually try and order some of the previous AMD offerings (that have mostly been removed) you don't be able to go through with the order.

For example, see https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ct4wyf/dell_no_longer_selling_optiplex_or_server_lines/

Last I checked you couldn't order a single Dell workstation with a Ryzen 3000 series CPU, despite them being solid offerings, others are also refused sales when calling Dell directly (for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cr8n7a/so_i_just_got_off_the_phone_w_a_sales_person_at/)

Just to be clear, I wish the above wasn't true and that each Server type had the option to configure it using AMD CPU's, but Dell simply doesn't offer AMD on 99% of their offerings, despite having a really competitive product. Intel really can't lose this battle, as AMD aren't allowed to complete where the real money is.

This is what I see on most Dell server offerings:

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Poweredge servers are insanely popular - the fact you can't quickly find any AMD offerings says it all :(
 
Minstadave said:
Each with a multitude of AMD CPU configs. Looks like just posting something as fact and being patronising unfortunately doesnt make you right.

Cray's latest and greatest supercomputer too has gone over to Epyc and will be the fastest in the UK.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2019/10/15/uk_archer2_supercomputer/
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Except I am right - Dell's AMD offerings are frankly pathetic. Try and find a Dell business product offering a Ryzen 3000 CPU, GLHF with that. Ryzen 3000 CPU's are awesome, and they should be offerered across Dell's lineup. Why do you think they aren't?

Wake up and smell the roses, Intel can't be touched as AMD aren't allowed to compete where the real money is.

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The only Ryzen CPU's I find on Dell's website are offered on their Alienware Threadripper lineup - though perhaps I'm just a noob at searching for Ryzen based business desktops on the Dell website.
 
Dave2150 said:
Except I am right - Dell's AMD offerings are frankly pathetic. Try and find a Dell business product offering a Ryzen 3000 CPU, GLHF with that. Ryzen 3000 CPU's are awesome, and they should be offerered across Dell's lineup. Why do you think they aren't?

Wake up and smell the roses, Intel can't be touched as AMD aren't allowed to compete where the real money is.

The only Ryzen CPU's I find on Dell's website are offered on their Alienware Threadripper lineup - though perhaps I'm just a noob at searching for Ryzen based business desktops on the Dell website.
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Because it's all corrupted schemes and intel pays. Last I heard they would throw $3B in order to keep their sales going with some price discounts, perhaps caused by the present AMD alternative.
 
 
DragonQ said:
Intel really need to sort out their security issues if I was to ever consider them again, especially for a high-end chip that's expected to last many years. This is the downside to re-using old architectures for so long due to a lack of competition.
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I am wondering - how does intel sell any server CPUs with security holes? Or the server CPUs have no security issues? :confused:
 
4K8KW10 said:
I am wondering - how does intel sell any server CPUs with security holes? Or the server CPUs have no security issues? :confused:
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Well anyone running an Intel system has lost upto 40% because of the Intel CPU flaws. If you need that 40% you have to upgrade in some way.
 
 
Dave2150 said:
Such as?

Dell recently removed the few AMD systems they offered all together. Read up on how big Dell is globally
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Dave2150 said:
Link me to a Ryzen desktop CPU on Dell's website, for a business machine. Good luck with that.
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Keeping moving the goalposts.

Dave2150 said:
Poweredge servers are insanely popular - the fact you can't quickly find any AMD offerings says it all :(
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ljt said:
https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-r6415

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-r7415

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/poweredge-r7515/emea_r7515

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/poweredge-r6525/emea_r6525

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/povw/poweredge-c6525

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/productdetailstxn/poweredge-r7425

Those are a few of the servers containing Epyc newest CPU's
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It seems you need to brush up on using the search box.

Dave2150 said:
If you do some more research
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Oh dear.
 
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4K8KW10 said:
Because it's all corrupted schemes and intel pays. Last I heard they would throw $3B in order to keep their sales going with some price discounts, perhaps caused by the present AMD alternative.
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Yeap! Though look at the denial in this thread, you have LJT claiming all is well just because Dell have a handful of EPYC offerings which most likely aren't available if you actually go through with the order.

No Ryzen for desktop on the entire Dell site from what I can see.
 
Dave2150 said:
Yeap! Though look at the denial in this thread, you have LJT claiming all is well just because Dell have a handful of EPYC offerings which most likely aren't available if you actually go through with the order.

No Ryzen for desktop on the entire Dell site from what I can see.
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It would be a terrible time to buy a high end server from Dell if they don’t offer AMD EPYC machines.
 
Minstadave said:
Keeping moving the goalposts.
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It's not about goalposts - it's about how disappointed I and many others are that Intel still outsell massively where it counts (business sector). As I mentioned above - AMD are massively under represented on Dell's website, this is proven by the fact they don't even offer AMD for Optiplex and Inspiron desktops, and hardly any popular servers, such as Poweredge type.

It's a very sad state of affairs. Nonetheless, I'll withdraw from this thread, leaving the few of you who believe AMD is dominating on Dell's product offerings (OEM/Business in general) and wish you luck with the rest of your dreams.
 
Dave2150 said:
It's not about goalposts - it's about how disappointed I and many others are that Intel still outsell massively where it counts (business sector). As I mentioned above - AMD are massively under represented on Dell's website, this is proven by the fact they don't even offer AMD for Optiplex and Inspiron desktops, and hardly any popular servers, such as Poweredge type.

It's a very sad state of affairs. Nonetheless, I'll withdraw from this thread, leaving the few of you who believe AMD is dominating on Dell's product offerings (OEM/Business in general) and wish you luck with the rest of your dreams.
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Is this what you are looking for?

https://www.dellemc.com/en-us/servers/amd.htm#accordion0&accordion1&tab1=0
 
Dave2150 said:
Yeap! Though look at the denial in this thread, you have LJT claiming all is well just because Dell have a handful of EPYC offerings which most likely aren't available if you actually go through with the order.

No Ryzen for desktop on the entire Dell site from what I can see.
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Talk about assumption lol. You said you couldn't find any poweredge at all. I merely showed you links direct to their product pages. Now you're saying you can't actually buy them. I managed to add a few to my basket perfectly fine and went through to checkout, obviously I didn't actually go through with entering payment, but I would have thought if they weren't available to purchase then it wouldn't even let me that far.

Equally, I'm not saying AMD are dominating, they aren't, but they do have systems available which is contrary to your statement of fact.

Granted, I can't see any business desktops containing Ryzen/pro CPU's from Dell, but I can find them from other OEM's such as HP and Lenovo. Historically Dell have been very Intel biased in their systems, and it will take time for AMD to gain a decent foothold in the OEM/Enterprise/Server markets, but in server CPU's they have a far better and more secure chip, so I can't see it taking too long. We've seen how they went from practically nothing to 5% in just a couple of years, and predicted to jump to 10% by end of 2020. It doesn't sound a lot, but to go from nothing to that, against a company that has historically made it extremely difficult for another player to make a dent is actually a very good achievement.
 
The lack of AMD options from the likes of dell are more to do with Intel opening its wallet and bribing the big OEMs more than AMDs ability to supply a good cpu.
In fact its pretty much all of it.

Intel is on the back foot, and back to its old scummy ways.
 
sideways14a said:
The lack of AMD options from the likes of dell are more to do with Intel opening its wallet and bribing the big OEMs more than AMDs ability to supply a good cpu.
In fact its pretty much all of it.

Intel is on the back foot, and back to its old scummy ways.
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Ryzen 3000 lineup is not aggressive enough. It just offers one SKU that is equal to i9-9900K and one 12-core SKU that is considerably more expensive than the threshold which would cause at least some consideration in the big players.
AdoredTV leaked a beautiful potential Ryzen 3000 lineup back in December which could have led to complete havoc at intel's HQ...
But no...
 
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