Badly behaved, you fail.

[JonRGV250]

far right

*ticks off bingo card

 

[arknor]

Just bring back the cane.

when did it get banned the late 70s? thankfully I wasn't born then

 

[JonRGV250]

It was a lot later than that, mid 80's iirc.
It was used when I was at school to great effect along with board erasers being thrown and a smack round the head.
Can't say it did anyone I know any harm.

 

[Richie]

Just bring back the cane.

when did it get banned the late 70s? thankfully I wasn't born then

Ah yes, bring back something like this because it won't affect me... Next up - National Service.

 

[D.P.]

*ticks off bingo card

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EU elections: how Italy’s far-right leader Giorgia Meloni framed her politics throughout the campaign

Exactly, a far right leader with ridiculous policies like this

 

[tamzzy]

Just bring back the cane.

It was a lot later than that, mid 80's iirc.
It was used when I was at school to great effect along with board erasers being thrown and a smack round the head.

Still had public caning in Singapore schools back in the late 90s going on 2000s
Literally the whole school would be in the auditorium (this would be over 2000 students + teachers) and watching xyz person get caned lol
Good deterrent

 

[Hagar]

Still had public caning in Singapore schools back in the late 90s going on 2000s
Literally the whole school would be in the auditorium (this would be over 2000 students + teachers) and watching xyz person get caned lol
Good deterrent

There was a ruckus in dining hall one lunchtime and the master in charge was the PE teacher. He had the whole school line up outside the gym after school and without favour everybody got two strokes of the cane. That's socialism for you. His arm must still have ached though.

 

[Gepetto]

Exactly what you expect from the far right. Short sighted simplistic approach, that completely fails to understand the cause.

Cause? Explain please.

I'm a bit confused about what causes aggression and bad behaviour towards teachers.

And why you would think it acceptable.

 

[D.P.]

Cause? Explain please.

I'm a bit confused about what causes aggression and bad behaviour towards teachers.

There are very many different reasons and this is a very well studied topic with many best practices. The biggest cause is mental health issues such as ADH and ASD and other development issues - note 20% of children have mental health issues. Other causes include:lack of key skills or confidence, environmental issues especially if combined with ASD etc., relationship issues in the home, boredom and distractions, classes that are too large and teacher's that are over worked and do not have the time to dedicate towards more personalised teaching requirements, emotional issues, low self-esteem , genuine academic difficulties especially if related to cognitive deficiencies, behaviour and responses of the teacher

And why you would think it acceptable.

ehh, no one said it was acceptable . Just some of us actually would like a solution that works and has positives outcomes for all parties and has a positive ROI for society, rather than simplistic punishment that cruely punish pupils without ever solving the underlying problem and inevitably leading to much higher societal costs.

What don't you wont to solve the problems rather than punish children for actions that they most likely do not even have control over?

 

[Gepetto]

There are very many different reasons and this is a very well studied topic with many best practices.

Do any of these best practices work?

No one said it was acceptable . Just some of us actually would like a solution that works and has positives outcomes for all parties and has a positive ROI for society, rather than simplistic punishment that cruelly punish pupils without ever solving the underlying problem and inevitably leading to much higher societal costs.

What do you mean by ROI? To me that means the Republic of Ireland.

What, don't you want to solve the problems rather than punish children for actions that they most likely do not even have control over?

I'd love to solve the problems and at least someone has come up with a suggestion, whether or not you you believe that to be acceptable.

I disagree that children, or people in general, have no control over their actions, although that is a debate for another thread. There is always a choice.

What is your solution? Or are you like the Labour Party, who seem to constantly criticise, but never offer a viable alternative.

 

[Hagar]

The bigger question is why 20% of children have mental health issues.

 

[D-Ranged]

Isn't this how WW2 started?

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

The bigger question is why 20% of children have mental health issues.

If that's the bigger question and you're the OP, why didn't you post that question to begin with?

Hint: moving goalposts is a fool's errand and is lazy at best and in bad faith at worst.

 

[D.P.]

The bigger question is why 20% of children have mental health issues.

The human brain is the most complex object in the universe. Developmental issues are expected. Also note that in general experts prefer terms like neural diversity because in many ways are neural functionality is simply different to the main population but these might not be dysfunctional nor pathological but typical and expected differences of cognitive function

 

[D.P.]

Do any of these best practices work?

Yes, they are well documented as having good results.

What do you mean by ROI? To me that means the Republic of Ireland.

Return of Investment. Solving such problems has initial investment cost but on the long term the benefits exceed the costs .

I'd love to solve the problems and at least someone has come up with a suggestion,

There are already well known solutions that have positive outcomes. We don't need new hair-brained ideas, simply investing in to known best practices.

whether or not you you believe that to be acceptable.

What is proposed by Italy is not a solution though. Such ideas provably fail, and at a large cost to society.

I disagree that children, or people in general, have no control over their actions, although that is a debate for another thread. There is always a choice.

You don;t know much about children with mental health and behavioural issues though, so your opinion is worthless.

What is your solution? Or are you like the Labour Party, who seem to constantly criticise, but never offer a viable alternative.

Investments in teacher education and training to manage children with behavioural problems and to better recognise neural divergent children, better investments in childhood mental health with things like rapid testing and psychological and social training for children that occur in-school, much smaller classroom sizes, specialised teachers to handle classes with more challenging and divergent children, increased teacher aids and education specialist to be available in class and provide personalised education curricula, support and awareness for family therapy.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

If that's the bigger question and you're the OP, why didn't you post that question to begin with?

Hint: moving goalposts is a fool's errand and is lazy at best and in bad faith at worst.

Because another poster brought it up midway through the thread. Or do you think the he should have predicted this?

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Investments in teacher education and training to manage children with behavioural problems and to better recognise neural divergent children, better investments in childhood mental health with things like rapid testing and psychological and social training for children that occur in-school, much smaller classroom sizes, specialised teachers to handle classes with more challenging and divergent children, increased teacher aids and education specialist to be available in class and provide personalised education curricula, support and awareness for family therapy.

So these are the best practises you were referring to? Where has this been tested?

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Because another poster brought it up midway through the thread. Or do you think the he should have predicted this?

Did I say that? No.

If the OP's bigger question (meaning his original remark is the lesser question) then why bother posting at all? It's either laziness or lack of thought and so we're clear, it's the second one.

 

[D.P.]

So these are the best practises you were referring to? Where has this been tested?

On Classroom size:

Class size, pupil attentiveness and peer relations - PubMed

There was confirmation that children in large classes are more distracted from work and more often off task. The unexpected result, based on teacher ratings, that small classes may lead to less social and more aggressive relations between children is discussed, along with implications for...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results: Observations showed that children in large classes were more likely to show off-task behaviour of all kinds, and more likely to interact with their peers in terms of off-task behaviour, social, and also on-task behaviours. Connections between class size and PBR factors were not strong. There was no support for the view that peer relations are better in smaller classes; indeed, there was a slight tendency for worse peer relations, in terms of aggression, asocial and excluded, in the smallest classes

The Transformative Benefits of Small Class Size — Sunnyseed

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• The NICHD study examined the long-term effects of class size on student behavior. Smaller class sizes were linked to improved student behavior, with fewer instances of disruptive conduct reported. (Source: National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Early Child Care Research Network. (2002). Early child care and children's development in the primary grades: Follow-up results from the NICHD Study of Early Child Care. American Educational Research Journal, 39(1), 133-164.)
• The Project STAR study in Tennessee, a well-known investigation into the effects of class size reduction, found that students in smaller classes exhibited improved behavior. Smaller classes allowed teachers to better manage and address behavioral issues, creating a more positive and conducive learning environment. (Source: Finn, J. D., & Achilles, C. M. (1999). Tennessee's class size study: Findings, implications, misconceptions. Educational Evaluation and Policy Analysis, 21(2), 97-109.)
• The SAGE program in Wisconsin, which aimed to reduce class sizes in elementary school districts, reported positive effects on student behavior. Smaller classes were associated with improved classroom discipline and a more positive atmosphere. (Source: Molnar, A., Smith, P., Zahorik, J., Palmer, A., Halbach, A., & Ehrle, K. (1999). Evaluating the SAGE program: A pilot program in targeted pupil-teacher reduction in Wisconsin. Educational Evaluation and Policy Analysis, 21(2), 165-177.)
• California's statewide class size reduction initiative found that students in smaller classes demonstrated improved behavior, including reduced instances of disruptive behavior. The study emphasized the role of smaller classes in creating a more manageable and positive learning environment. (Source: Achilles, C. M., & Finn, J. D. (1996). Tennessee's class size study: A summary. Phi Delta Kappan, 77(9), 676-679.)

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[Gepetto]

Oh terrific. How are you paying for all the Best Practices?

That haven't been put into practice!

Due to the ROI.


And:

"You don't know much about children with mental health and behavioural issues though, so your opinion is worthless."


Really? You don't know me at all, so your opinion is worthless.