Bahrain Grand Prix 2010, Sakhir - Race 1/19

MagicBoy said:
blatant attempt at breaking the rules
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Which rule does it break, MagicBoy?

I'm far from McLaren's biggest fan, but I do applaud them with this design. It's a stroke of diabolical genius. It isn't prohibited by the rules, no matter how much Bob Bell of Renault bleats about it. Quite why a Renault employee should have anything to say about cheating is beyond me, but there you go....
 
I'd count it as a movable aerodynamic device due to the driver (the moveable part) interacting with a defined flow using their leg/a flap/whatever.

The FIA don't seem to have specific grounds to ban it, but it's certainly nowhere in any shape or form near the spirit of the rules. So now all the other teams have to spend lots of money researching similar systems.

As for Renault ... LOL. I've got a bit of sympathy for Bob Bell. He's got landed in a very difficult job after Crashgate.
 
I love this "spirit of the rules" BS. Used only when teams didn't think of something themselves and don't really like it.

Pinnacle of motorsport? It's turning into the pinnacle of crybabies.

Lets just make F1 a spec series shall we? Ban all innovation.
 
Fine, in which case formalise is and create a "Don't take the p***" clause. Give the stewards (or some group of people that Ferrari can't knobble with petulant toy throwing) the ability to say "Ingenious idea but just .... NO."

The fans can call it the Brabham Fan Car rule. The FIA can call it the Innovation in F1 rule *.







* see USA Patriot Act for another ironically named law.
 
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OOI, did anyone see what exactly happened to Karun Chandhok? All I remember was seeing him pulled over without a front wing, so obviously he had a moment somewhere (unless they bought front wings from Virgin :p).

Would like to see of video of his retirement if possible...

Cheers,

Su
 
Sumanji said:
OOI, did anyone see what exactly happened to Karun Chandhok? All I remember was seeing him pulled over without a front wing, so obviously he had a moment somewhere (unless they bought front wings from Virgin :p).

Would like to see of video of his retirement if possible...

Cheers,

Su
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Nope, but aparently he went off on the bump. TBH, the directing of the Bahrain coverage was a bit poor. There was so much going on that we never saw, instead watching the top 3 do..... nothing.
 
I was thinking about this the other day, and compulsory pitstops may not be a bad idea...

If they know that even if they go bonkers and slide the car all over the place the soft tyres will do 20 laps, yet as they are having to stop twice they will never have to do more than 15 - 20 at the most on a single set, then it will stop all this "save the tyres" rubbish and people may actually start wanting to push. Imaging how much different it would be if they knew they could push hard, gain some places, and be rewarded with some shiny new tyres?

I know F1 has more than a few problems with overtaking, but there are compulsory pitstops within other series and they seem to be ok.

It would however also mean the FIA would need to give the teams more sets. the whole 11 sets per weekend thing is rubbish. I simply dont understand why they have that limit?
 
Skeeter said:
It would however also mean the FIA would need to give the teams more sets. the whole 11 sets per weekend thing is rubbish. I simply dont understand why they have that limit?
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Two reasons :
1) Contain costs. Not sure on current prices but a set of Bridgestones were £3000 about 4 years ago. That's £627k a year just to keep one car in race tyres.
2) Keep the Eco mentalists happy.
 
I'm a big NO for compulsory pit stops.
Also - I wish they'd get rid of the use both tyres rule - all it does is force the teams to run a tyre they'd rather not.

If a car has been developed to be soft on it's tyres then why not let it try to go through the race without stopping - if you want to nail every lap then go ahead and stop 2 or 3 times.
 
Flibster said:
I'm a big NO for compulsory pit stops.
Also - I wish they'd get rid of the use both tyres rule - all it does is force the teams to run a tyre they'd rather not.

If a car has been developed to be soft on it's tyres then why not let it try to go through the race without stopping - if you want to nail every lap then go ahead and stop 2 or 3 times.
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The trouble is the tyres arent that dynamic. They have a fairly consistent wear rate, so you dont get 30 seconds of advantage from 20 fast laps, so the result is everyone 'saves their tyres'.

I agree, your solution would be the best, but it would require a complete redevelopment of the tyres, and then a redevelopment of all the cars to run on those tyres, and with in season testing banned that will never happen.

Forcing pitstops is a short term stop gap that would stop the 'save the tyres' mentality. Your 'stop 2 or 3 times' idea would mean a top team would need to be able to pull out 90 seconds over their rivals just by pushing a bit harder. Thats 2 seconds a lap... it simply wont happen with the current setup.
 
Skeeter said:
The trouble is the tyres arent that dynamic. They have a fairly consistent wear rate, so you dont get 30 seconds of advantage from 20 fast laps, so the result is everyone 'saves their tyres'.

I agree, your solution would be the best, but it would require a complete redevelopment of the tyres, and then a redevelopment of all the cars to run on those tyres, and with in season testing banned that will never happen.

Forcing pitstops is a short term stop gap that would stop the 'save the tyres' mentality. Your 'stop 2 or 3 times' idea would mean a top team would need to be able to pull out 90 seconds over their rivals just by pushing a bit harder. Thats 2 seconds a lap... it simply wont happen with the current setup.
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The 2 compulsory stops wouldn't change a damn thing. ALL the cars will have to stop twice so the'll spend roughly the same time in the pit lane so they may as well spend it on the track.

As it is now they have a single compulsory stop and how much does that help? Not a single bit - so 2 will be better how?

As for redevelopment of the tyres - well, as this is Bridgestones last year in the sport - perfect timing I'd say. Just run all the rest of the year on the softs and super softs only.

2 seconds faster per lap? 1 chap nursing his car to the end on a single set against someone nailing every lap - 2 seconds is entirely possible. Especially as it's likely7 that it'll be a midfield team trying for the advantage on a single set.
 
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Flibster said:
2 seconds faster per lap? 1 chap nursing his car to the end on a single set against someone nailing every lap - 2 seconds is entirely possible. Especially as it's likely7 that it'll be a midfield team trying for the advantage on a single set.
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Agreed. And it would be very exciting to see.
 
NathanE said:
They already tried having a large difference between hard and soft rubber in early 2009. It didn't work. Alonso was quite vocal about it IIRC.
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It didn't work because the FIA force teams to use both compounds. Let them choose, then we will have some people on no stops, some on 1, some on 2, and we will see some racing.
 
NathanE said:
They already tried having a large difference between hard and soft rubber in early 2009. It didn't work. Alonso was quite vocal about it IIRC.
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Would this be the tyre rules they are still using? Having a specification gap between the tyres taken to each race.

Bahrain had the Medium and the Super Soft tyres
Australia is using the Hard and Soft compounds
 
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