Funny that, there are gay people who spoke of that they don't like what the pride march has become and represents but you never hear people mention that. I remember reading those comments on the articles last month.
Bakers refuse Gay wedding cake - update: Supreme Court rules in favour of Bakers
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Funny that, there are gay people who spoke of that they don't like what the pride march has become and represents but you never hear people mention that. I remember reading those comments on the articles last month.
Soldato
His words were reported as "This bus promotes homosexuality, and I refuse to drive it", you can perform some mental gymnastics if you like but to me that's fairly clear cut.
Also this willful ignorance of the context of pride is getting so tiresome. It is not arrogant to express pride about the person you are, especially when the context to that expression is decades of repression where you were unable to speak about, express, or practice your sexuality for fear of violence, abuse, or imprisonment. To my limited understanding Pride has evolved from a protest movement, pride in the face of those say gay people should be ashamed, to a celebration of the right of gay people to express themselves after years of being forced to live in the closet, to a wider pride and celebration of diversity but with all of the existing elements blended in. None of these incarnations are arrogant in anyway. I do wonder how people find a celebration of self to be such a threatening thing.
In case you think I'm blinkered on the subject I actually support the decision around the cake, I believe the company should have the right not to associate itself with a political message that it doesn't support, as long as the discrimination is relating to the message and not the people themselves, the test being whether they would refuse all commissions that do not match their values.
Caporegime
Soldato
the **** was wrong with that driver! maybe doesn't like blondes.
I wholeheartedly disagree even with the context around it.
Take pride in climbing Everest? Sure.
Take pride in doing a PhD? Sure.
Take pride in being gay? Nah, I don’t get it.
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter if you’re gay. So why make such a carnival out of it all? Pride makes sense when it is fiercely opposed, like the one in New York in 1970, I’d be in favour of one in Saudi Arabia and Russia too. The fact that in the UK a person who isn’t a public official, works for a private company, and doesn’t want to associate with it gets suspended (and will probably be fired) shows that it’s not oppressed in the UK anymore.
It was religious zealotry that stopped gays being free, and it seems that a similar zealotry (albeit not religious) is stopping others from daring to not toe the line.
Soldato
Each to their own, I think you're bang wrong in terms of the acceptability of the celebration, and I suspect you're latching on to an inflexible grasp of semantics in order to push a wider agenda, but that's just the sense i get from you. I have never understood the need of some people to tear others down for wanting to celebrate themselves.
In terms of the bus driver issue, the company has a range of values and behaviours, when you join a company you agree to abide by them, he didn't. I don't see the issue here, had he had a discussion behind closed doors with his manager about the situation I might have felt differently, and so might they. Instead he decided to voice his dissatisfaction publicly in a way that was likely to reflect badly on the organisation.
Caporegime
Religious reasons. It's very Middle Eastern in that part of town.
Soldato
article says it wasn't for religious or political reasons - anyways, good job by the bus driver - he gets the sack, she gets a payout, we get a gander at her in the papers. probably worked out exactly as he expected
Man of Honour
I have a transgender drummer and at one gig a few members of the LBGT came along.
The following day was Gay Pride in Stoke so I asked if they were all going and the answer was "No, Pride is for straights now".
Looks older than 19 i would have thought.
Not to be ageist, but is he in the same age group as you?
Still fit through
Plenty of older ladies have a fit body but look 1000 years old.
Man of Honour
It is a she not a he, she is 25 today, I'd love to show you a before and after picture.
I have and always have been totally in favour of gays, lesbians and now the LBGT community since I was a young boy.
I definitely don't mean that in a defamatory way, but the landscape has changed significantly since the, even the last few years with your friend claimging as such. It seems very commercialised and people rather do their own local events than under the 'gay pride' umbrella.
Man of Honour
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In Sweden? He must drive an empty bus!
Soldato
This old story again has hit the news. If the gay couple have the right to 'believe' they are right, why don't the Christian couple?
Tolerance people.
Andi.
Tolerance people.
Andi.
Soldato
Back to the cake debate, it's down to a clash of lifestyle choices, and yes religion is a lifestyle choice. Writing a gay slogan on a cake is no difference to having a cake themed on cars, football or princesses. Yes LGBT issues might not be the bakers' personal views, but their bigotry needs to stay at home. When you're at work, you're at work and you need to stay professional.
That's not a great example, a Baker can refuse to make cakes themed on cars, football or princesses...
The question in this case is when you should override the standard rule that businesses are not obliged to provide service to an individual, and on what basis.