Ballistix 184pin pc4000 2x1gb dicontinued

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So i've just read that the Ballistix 184pin pc4000 2x1gb ram has been dicontinued due to reliability issues :rolleyes:
I also read that Crucial will only honour the lifetime warranty as long as the RAM is in production.
I've already had one kit fail on me. So.. if this new kit fudges up, am i fudged for a replacement?
I've just had a look at the 2x1gb kits on OCUK and there is no mention of warranty!! :( looks to me like if it fails you are on your own
 
I've just had to send my 7 month old sticks back, 4 x 512MB on the way :(

I was told by crucial that it was due to lack of demand that they were taken down, and that fact that DDR2 is going to becoming the total norm soon (Amd M2 etc).
 
End of Crucial PC40002GB Tracer

Hi guys

I bought the 2GB tracer pc4000 ballsitix from the crucial website in december 05 and they stopped selling them about a week before 1 stick went corrupt in just over a month - end of Jan 06. So i used their online live chat to start the rma process and then onto the phone as the options they offered were:

Replace 1GB stick with another - no longer "matched pair tho"
replace 2x1GB sticks with 4x512 - i said unlikely to get to run 1T
replace 2x1Gb with "value range" - i wanted PC4000 to match cpu overclock
offer full refund and postage cost - i accepted!

After they received my RMA it took a week to get back full money and postage. Was very impressed with their professionalism to it all.

So used the money towards 2x1GB Corsair instead in the end. All worked out.

i did ask them why they had been taken off the market the 2x1GB ranges and i was told the "offical" reason was a drive towards DDR2. :-)
 
Thank goodness they have good support else there would be an awful lot of unhappy people banging at their front door.
 
yeah excellent support, just a rubbish product line (joke!!)
i presume those who got a full refund bought direct from crucial? as i got mine from OCUK i doubt i'll get a refend via crucial? if i am wrong then they should be knighted for there support service!!
 
The law states that you must get a 1 year warranty on it. If they cant offer you 2x1gb sticks, I dont see why you cant get ocuk to offer a replacement to the same value, providing you purchased through them ofc. Failing that you can always flog them on ebay and buy something else
 
You got me worried now...I bought the Crucial 2GB (2x1GB) DDR PC4000 Ballistix Dual Channel Kit a few months ago on the special offer that OCUK where doing on them; worked flawlesly so far so has all my Crucial memory in the past.
If there is a problem with them, why would OCUK still sale them?

And what exactly is OCUK's return policy with this Crucial sticks if there where found to be faulty somewhere down the line?

Could it be just a bad batch or do you think it applies to the whole range of 2x1 Gig kits?

A bit slipery to lose you "lifetime" guarantee on a product when Crucial decides to stop production of it?
Maybe it should be worded a little different.
 
Here is the Crucials Warranty blurb:

"5. Terms of Warranty. Except with respect to Crucial Ballistix™ memory products, video cards and non-Crucial branded products or software, Seller warrants to the Customer purchasing any products from Seller that all such products sold will be free from defects in materials and workmanship adversely affecting form, fit and function (the "Limited Lifetime Warranty"). The duration of the Limited Lifetime Warranty shall be a lifetime warranty for so long as the initial Customer owns and is using the product. Any claim alleging that any product fails to conform to the foregoing warranty may be made only by the Customer who purchased such product and only while such Customer owns such product.
The foregoing Limited Lifetime Warranty is granted to the initial Customer only and is nontransferable. Seller's entire liability and Customer's exclusive remedy under this Limited Lifetime Warranty is that Seller, at its option and expense, will repair, replace, or provide a credit or refund of either the original purchase price or fair market value, whichever is lower, for any product covered by the Limited Lifetime Warranty that is determined by Seller to be defective and in breach of that warranty. Seller reserves the right to substitute functionally equivalent new or serviceable used parts.
The Limited Lifetime Warranty covers only defects arising under normal use and does not include malfunctions or failures resulting from misuse, abuse, neglect, alteration, problems with electrical power, usage not in accordance with product instructions, external reasons, improper installation, repairs made by anyone other than Seller or a Seller-authorised third-party service provider, or other causes outside Seller's reasonable control.
With respect to Crucial Ballistix products, Crucial warrants to the original customer purchasing such products directly from Crucial that all such products sold will meet the datasheet specifications found on its web page (www.crucial.com/uk/ballistix). Any claim alleging that any product fails to conform to the foregoing warranty may be made only by the customer who purchased such product and only while such customer owns such product. Crucial, at its option, will repair, replace, or provide a credit or refund of either the original purchase price or fair market value, whichever is lower, of any product that is determined by Crucial to be defective. Some system configurations may not be designed to operate or may not operate at the published Crucial Ballistix memory speed and timing settings. Overclocking, running your system faster than the speed for which it was designed or the published speed, or otherwise modifying your system timing may result in damage to computer components and Crucial disclaims any and all liability for such damage.
With respect to video cards, Seller warrants to the Customer purchasing such products from Seller that all such products sold will be free from defects in materials and workmanship adversely affecting form, fit and function. Any claim alleging that any product fails to conform to the foregoing warranty must be made within one (1) year from the date of shipment of the product to Customer, and may be made only by the Customer who purchased such product and only while such Customer owns such product. Crucial, at its option, will repair, replace, or provide a credit or refund of either the original purchase price or fair market value, whichever is lower, of any product that is determined by Crucial to be defective during the warranty period.
With respect to non-Crucial branded products or software, any warranty is provided by the original manufacturer and not by Seller. These products may only be returned in accordance with the return policy in effect on the date of invoice. The warranties and technical support may vary from product to product.

6. Limitations. THE PRODUCTS ARE NOT AUTHORISED FOR USE AS CRITICAL COMPONENTS IN LIFE SUPPORT DEVICES OR SYSTEMS OR FOR USE IN OTHER CRITICAL APPLICATIONS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN APPROVAL OF THE SALES DIRECTOR OF MICRON EUROPE LIMITED. LIFE SUPPORT DEVICES OR SYSTEMS ARE THOSE WHICH ARE INTENDED TO SUPPORT OR SUSTAIN LIFE AND WHOSE FAILURE TO PERFORM CAN REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT INJURY TO OR DEATH OF THE USER. CRITICAL COMPONENTS ARE THOSE COMPONENTS WHOSE FAILURE TO PERFORM CAN REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO CAUSE FAILURE OF A LIFE SUPPORT DEVICE OR SYSTEM OR AFFECT ITS SAFETY OR EFFECTIVENESS. CRITICAL APPLICATIONS ARE THOSE APPLICATIONS THAT MAY INVOLVE POTENTIAL RISK OF DEATH, PERSONAL INJURY OR SEVERE PROPERTY OR ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE.
EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY STATED IN THESE TERMS, ALL OTHER WARRANTIES, CONDITIONS, REPRESENTATIONS AND OTHER TERMS, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, STATUTORY OR OTHERWISE, ARE EXCLUDED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, ANY IMPLIED TERMS OF QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND CONFORMITY TO MODELS OR SAMPLES. CUSTOMER EXPRESSLY UNDERSTANDS AND AGREES THAT SELLER DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE PRODUCT IS FREE OF CLAIMS OF PATENT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT BY ANY THIRD PARTY. SELLER HEREBY DISCLAIMS ANY SUCH WARRANTY OR INDEMNIFICATION AGAINST SUCH INFRINGEMENT.
EXCLUDING CASES WHERE LIABILITY MAY NOT BY LAW BE LIMITED OR EXCLUDED, IN NO EVENT SHALL SELLER OR ANY AFFILIATE BE LIABLE, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE, FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, LOSSES OR EXPENSES OF ANY KIND. IF ANY EXCLUSION, DISCLAIMER OR OTHER PROVISION IS HELD INVALID FOR ANY REASON AND SELLER OR AN AFFILIATE BECOME LIABLE FOR LOSS OR DAMAGE THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE LIMITED, THAT LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE, SHALL NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT PAID BY CUSTOMER FOR THE PRODUCT(S) WHICH CAUSED THE LOSS OR DAMAGE. SELLER ACCEPTS LIABILITY FOR PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH DUE TO THE NEGLIGENCE OF SELLER AND ITS EMPLOYEES WITHOUT LIMIT.

7. Inspection/Return procedures. Customer shall inspect the products within 30 days of receipt, such period being confirmed by Customer to be a reasonable period to examine the products for defects or shortfalls, and notify Seller promptly of any non-conformance. Failure to notify Seller within that 30-day period will constitute acceptance of the products for all purposes. No product may be returned for any reason without the prior approval of Seller. Customer is responsible for returning products to Seller at Customer's risk and expense. Prior to returning product(s) to Seller for warranty service, Customer must obtain a Return Material Authorisation ("RMA") number from Seller by calling Customer Service at 0800 013 0335. If Seller elects to replace such part pursuant to the Limited Lifetime Warranty above, replacement parts will be shipped at Seller's expense, subject to availability, via a common air delivery service after the RMA number is obtained. Replacement parts may be refurbished or repaired. Seller shall not be responsible for failure of the delivery service to make on-time delivery. Customer must ship the product(s) to Seller in the original packaging, prepaid and insured, with the RMA number clearly identified on the packaging. Returned products should be shipped to the following address:

Crucial Technology Europe, Attn: RMA Dept - RMA No.___________ (call 0800 013 0335 to be assigned an RMA number), 12 Redwood Crescent, Peel Park Campus, East Kilbride G745PA, U.K.
Any product(s) returned to Seller shall become the property of Seller. If Seller determines that failure of the product(s) was not a result of a defect in materials or workmanship within the terms of the Limited Lifetime Warranty, Seller reserves the right to charge Customer for parts and labour at Seller's then current charges rate. Seller will advise Customer prior to assessing these charges. Except as explicitly provided herein, Customer is not authorised to return product to Seller. If Seller elects to accept unauthorised returns, Seller may, in its sole discretion, charge a 20% restocking fee for parts returned.

8. Component resale. Customer shall not engage in the business of reselling components purchased from Seller, or remove components from product for resale, except upon express prior written authorisation of Seller.

9. Assignment. Customer may not assign its rights or obligations hereunder without the express prior written consent of Seller.

10. Entire agreement. These terms and conditions, including those on the face hereof, constitute the entire agreement with regard to its subject matter and expressly supersede and replace any prior or contemporaneous agreements and communications, whether written or oral, relating to the same, including any terms and conditions on any of Customer's documents or purchase orders. This agreement shall be binding upon the successors and assigns of the parties hereto. If any provision of this agreement shall be held to be invalid or unenforceable, the remainder of this agreement shall remain in full force and effect.

11. Governing law, jurisdiction and costs. This agreement is governed by the laws of England, without regard to its conflict or choice of law provisions. The 1980 United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods shall not apply to this agreement. Customer acknowledges and agrees that England is an appropriate place for venue of any litigation and that English courts have exclusive jurisdiction over this agreement and Customer. In the event the Customer and Seller are unable to resolve any Customer dispute, and any collection action, suit or other judicial proceeding is commenced, the prevailing party in any such collection action, suit or judicial proceeding shall be entitled to recover its costs and reasonable attorneys' fees incurred.

12. Terms and Conditions. The provisions of this agreement are in lieu of and replace any and all terms and conditions set forth in any documents issued by Customer, including, without limitation, purchase orders and specifications. In case of conflict between the terms and conditions stated here and those on the face hereof, those on the face hereof shall control. ANY ADDITIONAL, DIFFERENT OR CONFLICTING TERMS AND CONDITIONS ON ANY SUCH DOCUMENT ISSUED BY CUSTOMER AT ANY TIME ARE HEREBY OBJECTED TO BY SELLER, AND ANY SUCH DOCUMENT SHALL BE WHOLLY INAPPLICABLE TO ANY SALE MADE HEREUNDER AND SHALL NOT BE BINDING IN ANY WAY ON SELLER. CUSTOMER'S REMEDIES SET FORTH HEREIN ARE EXCLUSIVE AND IN LIEU OF ANY OTHER REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMER, WHETHER PROVIDED AT LAW, EQUITY OR OTHERWISE. "

Makes my head spin a bit, if someone could translate into laymans terms regarding the Ballistix memory, I would be gratefull.

Thanks
 
I was going to rp my heatspreaders off also but found my voltage sweetspot was 2.8 anyway and no real need to rip them off as didnt need high voltage. Still get hot mind. Anyway....I RMA'd one already once and Im now getting mem test errors and system instability in a big way. Time to get a full refund for some mushkins or OCZ I think. Shame really. was a big fan of ballistix until this. Good support though.
 
I hope my second set work after the expense of postage to RMA my 1st set :mad:
This second set runs fine at 2.8v without getting too hot although I do have a quiet fan blowing over them. I have found they do not like to go much above 270 Mhz but run fine at their rated 250 Mhz and at good timings of 3,3,3,6,1T :)
I can get the timings lower but they run so stable at the above that I leave them alone :cool:

One thing I did notice was that the second set I got had a very strong smell out of the bag :eek: So, I wonder if the 1st faulty set were different somehow as they were odourless :confused:

Here's hoping this set don't die!
 
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Is there a specific test at specif timmings and speeds settings that should be used to comfirm if the memory is up to scratch?

I presume they should a least run at 3-4-4-10 1T at 250MHZ?
 
Well my first set ran at about 270mhz then one got worse and worse then mem test errord all the time so I RMA'd. Then next replacement one enabled the set to run at 285mhz but now Ive got issues again. TBH I dont care if its one of them or both, I just want my money back for some stable ram.
 
@Minstadave : aren't you also pumping 3v through them?!


stvmor said:
One thing I did notice was that the second set I got had a very strong smell out of the bag :eek: So, I wonder if the 1st faulty set were different somehow as they were odourless :confused:
maybe someone at Crucial kindly farted in the bag before sealing it!! sorry crude i know but i giggled while projecting a mental image of it!!


Slap said:
Is there a specific test at specif timmings and speeds settings that should be used to comfirm if the memory is up to scratch?
I presume they should a least run at 3-4-4-10 1T at 250MHZ?
you need to set the ram to 250mhz at 3-4-4-8 2t and if it fails that then it can be replaced
 
deviousdragonuk said:
Hi guys

I bought the 2GB tracer pc4000 ballsitix from the crucial website in december 05 and they stopped selling them about a week before 1 stick went corrupt in just over a month - end of Jan 06. So i used their online live chat to start the rma process and then onto the phone as the options they offered were:

Replace 1GB stick with another - no longer "matched pair tho"
replace 2x1GB sticks with 4x512 - i said unlikely to get to run 1T
replace 2x1Gb with "value range" - i wanted PC4000 to match cpu overclock
offer full refund and postage cost - i accepted!

After they received my RMA it took a week to get back full money and postage. Was very impressed with their professionalism to it all.

So used the money towards 2x1GB Corsair instead in the end. All worked out.

i did ask them why they had been taken off the market the 2x1GB ranges and i was told the "offical" reason was a drive towards DDR2. :-)


Im getting fed up with this now. Because I did not buy from Crucial Direct, I cannot have a full refund!!! They have offered me PC3200 2 x 1gb kit (not what I spend my original £200+ on with less performance). They say that they still have stock to replace this range for returns etc. When I dsicussed with the lady there at Crucial she gave the old story that they have only been discontinued due to concentrating on DDR2 and other ranges. She said it quite nervously as well when I brought up reliability issues. I explained that I dont want to keep having to RMA all the time and that this is unacceptable. Basically the jist of it is, accept an exchange for something else to the same or less value (there is nothing obviously with the same performance that is a 2x1gb kit) or get a full refund ONLY IF YOU BOUGHT FROM CRUCIAL DIRECT.
So now, I get to keep replacing my poor ram every time it starts to fail with Crucial or get a less expensive replacement, or RMA and make a loss selling a brand new kit that nobody will want to buy for the same reason.

What can OCUK do about this for me considering I bought it from them? At the end of the day this is unacceptable and I dont want to keep doing this until they run out of DIMMS and then I HAVE to get a replacement rubbish set. I have heard of people on like their 4th set of DIMMS and they are still failing. How can you get out of this without losing money? I just want some reliable 2x1gb ram that clocks to 265mhz without failing at the end of the day. Well...even 250mhz would be nice at stock settings which they dont even do when they start to fail.


POOR
 
how long have you had them since original purchase sniper007?
OCUK not answer RMA queires on the forum so you can try ringing them and ask for a full refund?

Did you say you can get a replacement set the same? you could always get your replacement set and sell them as new at auction/MM
 
teggs said:
how long have you had them since original purchase sniper007?
OCUK not answer RMA queires on the forum so you can try ringing them and ask for a full refund?

Did you say you can get a replacement set the same? you could always get your replacement set and sell them as new at auction/MM

Yeah but whos going to buy them and I will still make a loss as would have to sell them cheaper than etailers.

I originally bought the ram back in November time. Then I RMA'd around December I think. Now having to RMA again. I may contact OCUK yeah but I think the reply would be that all warranty issues with Crucial ram are dealt with my crucial direct bla bla bla.
 
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