Ballmer's off...

cu3ed said:
And they havant really started in those areas, he made the big change to these areas that MS needed to make, give them 5 years and we can judge then.
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What, when everyone else has made a ton of cash and moved on to the next big thing? Five years in the technology world might as well be fifty.

How about if MS start making newer, better products, instead of trying to get a slice of other people's pies a few years down the line? They certainly are capable, but the way the company is run has been holding them back for years.
 
Steampunk said:
What, when everyone else has made a ton of cash and moved on to the next big thing? Five years in the technology world might as well be fifty.

How about if MS start making newer, better products, instead of trying to get a slice of other people's pies a few years down the line? They certainly are capable, but the way the company is run has been holding them back for years.
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Sure they missed the boat at the start, thats obvious, sure Google and Apple made a ton of cash ( how much did Droid miss the boat on Tablet at their own catchup? how many years has it taken them spread across a HUGE amount of OEMs). Ms never really play the short game, like with Xbox, they play a VERY VERY VERY long erm goal, MS has turned a corner releasing their own hardware in the tablet market etc, bring their own ( imo much MUCH better way of doing things on a touch based platform), and its still in that hard to work out middle ground as this change happens.
Ms dont think about making a short term bunch of cash for a few years, they think what will have them owning the market in 20 years time.
 
King Damager said:
Of course, they pretty much have a monopoly on the OS market..

kd
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Desktop only.
Android have the biggest os marketshare across all platform, and MS strong hold market is shrinking. They have to break I to the other markets.
Wp8 needs faster updates and w8 tablets need better hardware. The OEMs are so blind they can't see there normall markets contracting andfor some bizarre reason trying to fight against the flow, rather than releasing new platforms. The tablets they have released have been underspecced, over prices, crap availability and crap advertising.
 
Can't rely on the Xbox though, the xbone is perfectly placed to bomb.

Glaucus said:
Desktop only.
Android have the biggest os marketshare across all platform, and MS strong hold market is shrinking. They have to break I to the other markets.
Wp8 needs faster updates and w8 tablets need better hardware. The OEMs are so blind they can't see there normall markets contracting andfor some bizarre reason trying to fight against the flow, rather than releasing new platforms. The tablets they have released have been underspecced, over prices, crap availability and crap advertising.
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Wut?

They're still massive in the server OS environment (massive being just about peerless) so to say it's desktop only is absurd.
 
Gilly said:
Can't rely on the Xbox though, the xbone is perfectly placed to bomb.



Wut?

They're still massive in the server OS environment (massive being just about peerless) so to say it's desktop only is absurd.
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I classed that as a desktop, would old skool platform be a better word. Either way they have lost the lead over all platforms, they use to have a monopoly, now they aren't even number 1.
 
I can see a cloud based OS such as Chrome OS taking more market share off them too. Most people will disagree/hate the thought but to me it just seems inevitable.

Edit: Also Google Apps vs Office 365 is a battle that doesn't seem to have really kicked off yet. Probably because most companies stick with older OSs/Office packages for as long as they can..?
 
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Glaucus said:
I classed that as a desktop, would old skool platform be a better word. Either way they have lost the lead over all platforms, they use to have a monopoly, now they aren't even number 1.
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They haven't lost the lead over all platforms at all. Not even slightly.

The fact that you call server OS desktop shows that you don't really understand what you're talking about.

You may be right, and understood, if you were talking about smartphone OS. That's where they are behind.
 
Ballmer had always said he was going to retire at 60 and has moved that up to let a new CEO get a run at the new devices and services stuff from the start
 
Gilly said:
They haven't lost the lead over all platforms at all. Not even slightly.

The fact that you call server OS desktop shows that you don't really understand what you're talking about.

You may be right, and understood, if you were talking about smartphone OS. That's where they are behind.
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Apogee all android lead over all platforms, so yes they have lost the lead. I'm not talking just mobile. All platforms combined, severs, desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones etc. over all platforms android now rules the numbers. They have more os than MS does.
Over the last decade they've gone from over 90% to under 40% it might even be 30% can't remeber exact figures with android overtaking them late last year iirc.

So no I understand perfectly fine, just priced a poor word (and I didnt say desktop os)
 
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Macro said:
Ballmer had always said he was going to retire at 60 and has moved that up to let a new CEO get a run at the new devices and services stuff from the start
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I think it was decided as part of this major company restructuring that was announced a couple of months back. An announcement at a separate time to make it look like he is not being swept out along with the rest of the old company structure.
 
Personally I think they try to do to much, they are obsessed with what other firms are doing instead of doing their own thing really well.
 
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