Ballmer's off...

Sundance said:
I can see a cloud based OS such as Chrome OS taking more market share off them too. Most people will disagree/hate the thought but to me it just seems inevitable.

Edit: Also Google Apps vs Office 365 is a battle that doesn't seem to have really kicked off yet. Probably because most companies stick with older OSs/Office packages for as long as they can..?
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Because Office does the job better.
 
randal said:
Shares surged 8% on the news... lol.
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Not surprised really when they've spent the last year or so giving desktop users the middle finger and instead chasing platforms they are far too late to the party for with hardware they can't market or get onto the shelves in any decent numbers.

It's a shame really because there are clearly some people in the company with good ideas but the higher ups are ignoring them.
 
Gilly said:
They haven't lost the lead over all platforms at all. Not even slightly.

The fact that you call server OS desktop shows that you don't really understand what you're talking about.

You may be right, and understood, if you were talking about smartphone OS. That's where they are behind.
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They have market share in a declining PC and Server market. They lack it in an expanding mobile market.

This is what they need to sort out.
 
Glaucus said:
I'm not talking just mobile. All platforms combined, severs, desktops, laptAops, tablets, smartphones etc. over all platforms android now rules the numbers. They have more os than MS does.
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You've got more money in your pocket than I have, well big deal. :p

Remove the tablets/smartphones and Android rules over nothing else. IOS may even rule over Android depending on which figures one looks at.

The Chinese have more people than anyone else on the planet but that does not make them the best or most productive. Ruling the numbers is a meaningless statistic when you are not comparing like with like.

A measure of an OS is what it can support and in the real world (business/industry/military/space/medicine) Windows/UNIX systems rule.
 
Cosimo said:
You've got more money in your pocket than I have, well big deal. :p

Remove the tablets/smartphones and Android rules over nothing else. IOS may even rule over Android depending on whose figures one looks at.

The Chinese have more people than anyone else on the planet but that does not make them the best or most productive. Ruling the numbers is a meaningless statistic when you are not comparing like with like.

A measure of an OS is what it can support and in the real world (business/industry/military/space/medicine) Windows/UNIX systems rule.
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What are you on about.
Why would you remove tablets and smartphones, they are the massive expanding market, while desktops are declining.
Where did I say who was the best?
Win8 is my preference

That post makes no sense compared to what you quoted.

Before obiel computing came, MS had over 90% marketshare, they no longer have amply where near that and in fact accrosss all platforms lose to android.
 
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I think they have completely lost the way in the last 3 - 4 years

Surface RT - a disaster
Xbone - nice PR work on that one - it will sell but you got question the original concept vs the
Win8 - another PR disaster - dont question the quality of the OS - I have used it for 6 months now and still dont like the tiles / search etc
Windows Phone in single % market share still

Seems that whilst they are trying to innovate at each refresh - they havent quite hit the mark with each try.
 
bignev72 said:
Thousands being the operative word.
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How? I might have meant millions of thousands :p which would be wrong of course. My point was, some major companies/organisations have switched to Google Apps.

I would like to see a comparison of number of companies (and total revenues) switched to Office365 vs Google Apps.

No point discussing if none of us know this...
 
i reckon he's just made a good bit of money. Microsoft CEO, who owns a LOT of MS shares.

Does a crap job, so when he announces his retirement, share price jumps 8%

Sells off.

Nice.
 
spudbynight said:
Love this

We have our strategy.......
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You have to understand why he came out with those remarks though given what MS had on the market years before Apple. I laughed too, to be honest, "heh? They are offering what's already out there and charging how much!?". Just goes to show that if you market a product good, it doesn't matter if it already exists.

:p

lol...
 
He probably doesn't fancy the uphill battle that Microsoft are facing on several fronts:

Xbox One: Launch was a disaster, lower specced than PS4 and costs more, pre-orders look poor.
Windows 8: Repulsed by most of their customer base, has helped tremendously in boosting (non-Microsoft) tablet sales and accelerated/increased the shrinking of the desktop market.
Surface: Speaks for itself.
 
thedoc46 said:
i reckon he's just made a good bit of money. Microsoft CEO, who owns a LOT of MS shares.

Does a crap job, so when he announces his retirement, share price jumps 8%

Sells off.

Nice.
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According to radio 4 he stands to make about 750 million from the share price rise.. Can't see him being too upset lol!
 
Glaucus said:
Apogee all android lead over all platforms, so yes they have lost the lead. I'm not talking just mobile. All platforms combined, severs, desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones etc. over all platforms android now rules the numbers. They have more os than MS does.
Over the last decade they've gone from over 90% to under 40% it might even be 30% can't remeber exact figures with android overtaking them late last year iirc.

So no I understand perfectly fine, just priced a poor word (and I didnt say desktop os)
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That's a little disingenuous though, as that 'over 90%' was from a time when mobile OSs were just whatever a Nokia 3310 was running and would never have been included in such a statistic.

So yes, whilst they've not made the inroads to the mobile market that they could have done, it's not like they've lost over 50% of a market they previously had, they've just failed to capitalise on a new one.
 
Kenai said:
That's a little disingenuous though, as that 'over 90%' was from a time when mobile OSs were just whatever a Nokia 3310 was running and would never have been included in such a statistic.

So yes, whilst they've not made the inroads to the mobile market that they could have done, it's not like they've lost over 50% of a market they previously had, they've just failed to capitalise on a new one.
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Not at all as, phones back then where not general computing devices. The market has changed and the stats shows it and shows why MS has to do what they are doing.

As for the second part, ages no difference didnt say the lost o, they've lost marketshare, they are no longer the big kid and aphave lost revenue due to it. Especially as the market continues to accelerate away from there old stronghold.

Tablets are replacing desktops at home and why decline in desktops start just two months after ipad was released and other than a few random months has been declining ever since. This isn't just my opinion ever, this is the analysists opinion as well.

“While Windows 8 has been blamed by some as the reason for the PC market’s decline, we believe this is unfounded as it does not explain the sustained decline in PC shipments, nor does it explain Apple’s market performance,” Kitagawa noted.
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So they've failed to predict the market and are now paying for it by not releaing w8 2 years earlier.

As for people who say its to late, iChat's a stupid opinion. Big companies can certainly break into existing markets especially when you have a boat load of cash available. But it takes time, not a few months.
 
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