Baroness Thatcher has died.

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Theophany said:
Doesn't sound very impartial to play it in full, knowing that the song is only in the chart for a very specific (and inflammatory) reason.
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Exactly this. At least common sense has prevailed at the BBC, I bet the idiots who bought the song will be raging.

deuse said:
Please enlighten me.
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I think you're beyond my help if you can't understand any of the above.
 
Theophany said:
He has a very good point that you've deliberately failed to address to try and further what was originally a braindead argument.
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What? That there is a grieving family - sure, they are grieving as anyone would be if their Mum had died - but my point is that its just a song

Yes, its a song that has been hijacked by idiots and fools, but do you not think that she and her family knew that there would be a very divided attitude to her death after all the decisions and policies that she implemented when she was in power?

I get the feeling that people are more shocked by the fact that not everyone is crying into their hankies cause she has died.

Hey, this is not an argument (braindead or not), it is my opinion that they should play it

Edit: ^ it is my opinion that they should play it all or not at all not just a clip
 
TrixiBuG said:
Yes, its a song that has been hijacked by idiots and fools, but do you not think that she and her family knew that there would be a very divided attitude to her death after all the decisions and policies that she implemented when she was in power?
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But a song in the charts for the sole purpose of celebrating her death? Bit much really don't you think? It's tasteless, tacky and very unbritish. It's a shame that instead of having a discussion on how we can right any 'wrongs' caused by her and improve society, we just get a load of idiots using it as an excuse to riot and put some crap old song in the charts to make some sort of idiotic point.
 
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Is it going to chart or will it actually reach number 1?

Out of interest have they ever not played a charting record in the past?
Did they ban Frankie goes to Hollywood back in the day, and refuse to play it, or did they actually play it when it charted, but just not add it to their playlist?
 
Robbo said:
Exactly this. At least common sense has prevailed at the BBC, I bet the idiots who bought the song will be raging.


I think you're beyond my help if you can't understand any of the above.
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Yep you're trolling now and still calling people names oh dear....KIDS duh
But hold on..so you think that God save the queen by the sex pistols also should not be played on the radio?
 
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Geri Haliwell has now realised that deleting her tweet was stupid.

Weak under fire said:
When I’m scared, my natural state is to hide and run for cover.

I was 7 years old when my father told me about the greengrocer’s daughter who had become the first female Prime Minister in our history. I was enchanted by this… my father who was always hiding behind the broadsheets spoke about her my whole childhood.

Fast forward to 1996… It was widely covered in the media, when I casually mentioned that I admired Margaret Thatcher in an interview for a political magazine.

Monday 8th April 2013 – Margaret Thatcher had died… I felt compelled to tweet my thoughts for a female leader, in a world governed by men.

I was so confused and overwhelmed by some of the feedback I received that I took my tweet down and for that I was called spineless.

I questioned myself? Did I really mean what I said?
Can I stand tall? Do I even know what I was talking about?

I realised the best thing to do was to shut up and really get honest with myself. What I hated the most was that I took a tweet down. I had wavered and was full of self-doubt.

I so I asked myself over the last 3 days – why I did I do it? Why did I take that tweet down?

These are my conclusions…

I. I was so afraid of upsetting people, and not being liked for saying something that was not to everyone’s taste.

2. Also, I suddenly thought given the adverse reaction, did I even really know enough about Margaret Thatcher? Was I just trying to be relevant? She had obviously upset a lot of people.

3. But now I realise that I do admire a woman, whether she is right or wrong, regardless of her opinions. She had the courage to stand by her convictions. Not like me. I look at my behavior, which exposed how weak I was under fire, not like Margaret Thatcher. Rest in peace.

Much love Geri xxx
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Good on her!
 
newbiejim said:
the one that cheers me most is buried in the middle somewhere, the part about the wages, I`m cheered that due to your research you agree with me and disagree with Castiel.
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Do you agree with Buffetslayer then that £300 a week is reasonable assumption to make then as well as his point that Miners were earning more (substantially so in some areas) than other industries?
 
Janesy B said:
But a song in the charts for the sole purpose of celebrating her death? Bit much really don't you think? It's tasteless, tacky and very unbritish. It's a shame that instead of having a discussion on how we can right any 'wrongs' caused by her and improve society, we just get a load of idiots using it as an excuse to riot and put some crap old song in the charts to make some sort of idiotic point.
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I agree with you!

But I also think that spending £10m (I think?) on a funeral is equally un-British. I cant see any evidence of any former British Prime Ministers being honored in such away except Churchill...unless someone can throw some facts into the mix...so why should she get a funeral worthy of a Royal?

This also points back to another point made, that there is a grieving family to think of and to think that they are *realistically* shocked and surprised at the division in the UK at the moment over her death.

If that was so, then why have a £how-ever-much public funeral?!?

Play the track and be done with it, its not like they are adding it to the play list
 
TrixiBuG said:
What? That there is a grieving family - sure, they are grieving as anyone would be if their Mum had died - but my point is that its just a song

Yes, its a song that has been hijacked by idiots and fools, but do you not think that she and her family knew that there would be a very divided attitude to her death after all the decisions and policies that she implemented when she was in power?

I get the feeling that people are more shocked by the fact that not everyone is crying into their hankies cause she has died.

Hey, this is not an argument (braindead or not), it is my opinion that they should play it

Edit: ^ it is my opinion that they should play it all or not at all not just a clip
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It isn't just a song though, is it? If you actually have any appreciation for not just music, but the arts in general, you'll realise this. It's a political statement, it's a group of people who are deliberately getting a song into the charts to disrespect a dead person with whom they despised.

I get that there are still an awful lot of painful wounds from her premiership and I understand why they're still hurting. Heck, I'm 'lucky' enough to have a nice split in my family - my mother's side from the North despised her with a passion (and some even bought the record as part of this campaign), whilst my father's side are the opposite. I spent my youth being 'educated' about politics by my dear old Nan and Granddad and why Thatcher and the Conservative party are evil. But even in light of this, I cannot accept that it is right for an independent broadcaster to willfully engage in what is nothing more or less than angry politicking - something that the corporation is, in principle, not supposed to do.

As you said earlier, the chart show is a record of the music people have been buying. They're not cutting the song from the charts and they are not playing it in full. I cannot see how this is not a reasonable compromise and well within the stated remit of the show. As much as there will be people trying to paint it as the BBC refusing to play 'God Save The Queen' all over again, it simply is not the case.

It's about being balanced, impartial and carrying out the will of the license fee payers. In order to do that, they have made a well-reasoned decision that is not overly inflammatory to one group and is not censure of another.

As a side note, it's a ****ing awful song anyway. Fools and their money, etc.

deuse said:
But hold on..so you think that God save the queen by the sex pistols also should not be played on the radio?
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As above, right on cue.

Judy Garland is hardly punk, is she? :rolleyes:
 
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deuse said:
Yep you're trolling now and still calling people names oh dear....KIDS duh
But hold on..so you think that God save the queen by the sex pistols also should not be played on the radio?
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What are you even talking about? :confused:

You're the last person who should be calling anyone a kid. Also, I haven't called anyone any 'names', so... :confused:

I think you're rather confused.
 
Robbo said:
What are you even talking about? :confused:

You're the last person who should be calling anyone a kid. Also, I haven't called anyone any 'names', so... :confused:

I think you're rather confused.
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Janesy B said:
deuse seems to be creating an argument, just for argument's sake.
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You two should get a room together..but no pics please :)
Robbo have you forgot you had a post deleted in this thread ;)
 
Castiel said:
Do you agree with Buffetslayer then that £300 a week is reasonable assumption to make then as well as his point that Miners were earning more (substantially so in some areas) than other industries?
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No I don't, I will speak to some of my friends when I see them and glean information from them, coupled with tinterweb research I will firm up an opinion.Anyway I thought you declared you weren't going to post anymore? :)
 
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