Barrat gets battered in Prison!!

SunaseIPs · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:29

Fraggr said:
I hate terrorists as much as the majority of Brits, but burning him with pork fat? That's taking it too far, he's already in for a minimum of 40 years iirc. We are civilised, and things like that shouldn't be allowed to happen under our noses in government prisons. Thankfully you are not in charge.

When he blows your family up would you be so forgiving then?

SunaseIPs · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:30

mglover070588 said:
the death penalty needs to be brought back in Make the punishments so severve that terrorists/rapists etc etc will think again before striking.

Would sort out the overcrowding prison system

The Running Man · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:30

squiffy said:
For those who've been caught, and sentanced guilty- being hung, drawn and quarted is too good for them.

It's not going to put others off. Try and blow people up, we'll put the fear of god into them. That's only what scares em.

Fight fire with fire, and not with a eye dropper.

you think killing a would-be suicide bomber is really a deterrant? i think you'd be better suited to living a life with some fellow maniacs who share your criminal idealogy in the middle east my friend.

then you get comments, well why dont all the "asians" complain about all the terrorism?

why dont we complain about all the racism, and beatings which go on in our jail?

simple question, but your answer is probably why there is growing desparity between the two groups really.

OpenToSuggestions · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:31

SunaseIPs said:
When he blows your family up would you be so forgiving then?

if someone blew up my family i would end up in jail myself because of what I would do in revenge.
Im suprised someone from the london bus bombings family hasnt gone on a rampage tbh.

squiffy · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:35

Nickg said:
you think killing a would-be suicide bomber is really a deterrant? i think you'd be better suited to living a life with some fellow maniacs who share your criminal idealogy in the middle east my friend.

then you get comments, well why dont all the "asians" complain about all the terrorism?

why dont we complain about all the racism, and beatings which go on in our jail?

simple question, but your answer is probably why there is growing desparity between the two groups really.

Kill them in such a way it gives the fear of god into them. If they want to be barbaric, so can we. Open up there bodies, and put pigs organs into them. Burn them alive, then chuck them into a mass grave filled with pigs blood and rotting pig carcasses.

Obey the law. Fine. Decide to become a suicide bomber and except hell on earth when you're in prison.

Being civil to barbarians is pointless. They're never learn or change there way.

Fraggr · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:36

SunaseIPs said:
When he blows your family up would you be so forgiving then?

He hasn't, so I see it rationally without emotions imparing my view.

If torture is allowed, how do we have any moral high ground? IMO torturing someone for 40 years is a lot worse than attempted murder. If he had actually done it, sure, I'm sure my view would be different.

Richdog · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:38

I firmly believe that if you are convicted and found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt of planning/carrying out acts of mass terrorism that it should be an instant death penalty... why the **** should we continue paying thousands to support these scum in prison when they were going to indiscriminately blow women and children into oblivion... indeed would have revelled in the destruction they caused without any regret.

It makes me sick... when is Britain going to find it's bottle again and stop all this ultra-liberal human rights nonsense. Terrorists deserve not a shred of mercy or compassion imo, and should be dealt with swiftly and surely.

The Running Man · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:42

squiffy said:
Kill them in such a way it gives the fear of god into them. If they want to be barbaric, so can we. Open up there bodies, and put pigs organs into them. Burn them alive, then chuck them into a mass grave filled with pigs blood and rotting pig carcasses.

Obey the law. Fine. Decide to become a suicide bomber and except hell on earth when you're in prison.

Being civil to barbarians is pointless. They're never learn or change there way.

hm yes because then im sure they wills top kidnapping innocent westerners in asia and definately wont produce any more grotesque video's of them being chopped up.

you speak with fire, yet dont really seem to understand the implications for your fellow man. im not saying they should be put on easy street but i think you are overtly extreme in your beliefs and are not far off becoming an extremist yourself harbouring views like that. Extremists are the root cause of the problem. i do hope that you dont consider yourself to be British.

Abraham · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:42

i agree with someone wayyy up there but to more of an extreme
i think most prison should be solitary, for serious offences anyway
just 4 walls, a door and you for the rest of your life
absolutley zero human contact

Van_Dammesque · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:55

dirtydog said:
People being attacked in prison has happened as long as prisons have existed as far as I know.

Exactly and how many people get "investigations" and external organisations such as the MCB (exposed another bit of their agenda BTW) helping with terrorists?

squiffy · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:57

Nickg said:
hm yes because then im sure they wills top kidnapping innocent westerners in asia and definately wont produce any more grotesque video's of them being chopped up.

you speak with fire, yet dont really seem to understand the implications for your fellow man. im not saying they should be put on easy street but i think you are overtly extreme in your beliefs and are not far off becoming an extremist yourself harbouring views like that. Extremists are the root cause of the problem. i do hope that you dont consider yourself to be British.

White, born in England, and English, and grandfather fought in WW II. I could probably trace my family history much further than that. If I held that "extremist" view it'll be to randon strangers in the streets. It's not. It's towards those found 110% guilty of terrorism.

Being a wuss won't get you anywhere. If those people are prepared to kill hundreds/thousands they're totally mad beyond your comprehension. So do you really think lame sentancing does anything? It's like slapping the wrist of joy riders. Oh wait..

My attitude would be the same towards any race/religion suicide bomber/bomber. IRA members should have been hung, drawn and quarted.

squiffy · 23 Jul 2007 at 12:59

Fraggr said:
He hasn't, so I see it rationally without emotions imparing my view.

If torture is allowed, how do we have any moral high ground? IMO torturing someone for 40 years is a lot worse than attempted murder. If he had actually done it, sure, I'm sure my view would be different.

ok, so if your entire family was wiped out would you be "on the fence" too? If your decision changes, you're a hypercrite.

Not only that, you're self centred, as long as "terrorist kill people I don't know or care about" then treat em nice. If they kill my wife and children, put em to death.

OpenToSuggestions · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:00

squiffy said:
White, English, and grandfather fought in WW II. I could probably trace my family history much further than that. If I held that "extremist" view it'll be to randon strangers in the streets. It's not. It's towards those found 110% guilty of terrorism.

Being a wuss won't get you anywhere. If those people are prepared to kill hundreds/thousands they're totally mad beyond your comprehension. So do you really think lame sentancing does anything? It's like slapping the wrist of joy riders. Oh wait..

funny thing is you are EXACTLY right. these days poeple have videos of kids on their pc's and get 6months. let out in half that

sniffy · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:01

Fraggr said:
He hasn't, so I see it rationally without emotions imparing my view.

So failure is forgiveness? If I tried and failed to rape you, you wouldn't wish any harm on me because I failed to carry it out even though that's what I intended? You sound like a bit of a push-over.

Visionary · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:28

dirtydog said:
I agree with this stance. The punishment is being in prison. We are a civilised people and two wrongs don't make a right.

That's strange coming from you, as I remember you saying Tony Blair should be hanged.

Fraggr · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:40

sniffy said:
So failure is forgiveness? If I tried and failed to rape you, you wouldn't wish any harm on me because I failed to carry it out even though that's what I intended? You sound like a bit of a push-over.

Did I say he should be forgiven? He's got 40 years in prison. I'm saying he shouldn't be tortured...

dirtydog · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:42

Visionary said:
That's strange coming from you, as I remember you saying Tony Blair should be hanged.

So he should, but if he was in prison I would not condone him being subject to random attacks from inmates. I am English, English people are civilised. Well some of us are, perhaps not all judging by this thread.

As has been said already, if we condemn Sharia Law and the barbaric practices which go on in the Middle East, we are hypocrites of the highest order if we then condone it when it goes on in the UK.

OpenToSuggestions · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:44

he should be tortured into telling who his bomber mates are. then hung and disgraced.
I think torture is wrong in 99.9% of cases but if my family member was on that bus that blew up in london a while back I would want the pleasure of doing it myself

G-MAN2004 · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:47

SunaseIPs said:
When he blows your family up would you be so forgiving then?

Exactly. Terrorists deserve a whole lot more than a prison sentence and a beating. I don't care how civilised we are.

scorza · 23 Jul 2007 at 13:47

iCraig said:
I can see what you're saying. If we inflict torture on them for our pleasure, how are we any better etc? But it's still very difficult to allow them to have special treatment. He wanted to kill hundreds of people, end their lives. Why should his life now, be protected? He gave up that protection when he decided what he wanted to do to us.

It's not really about us inflicting torture - this was fellow prisoners carrying out a brutal attack on an equally brutal prisoner, not some state sponsored activity. What I think it's about is law and order and justice. Barat has been given a sentence appropriate for his crimes, he has to be give the chance to reform himself, and I do think its possible for Islamic extremists to change their ways. But thats not going to happen if we allow him to be subjected to brutal attacks day after day.

Another issue is the prisoners who carried out the attack. They too should be encouraged to reform their criminal ways, and again that won't happen unless we condemn them for carrying out this attack.