BBC self-advertising and general quality

Halfmad said:
There's a couple of reason they do this:

1. Many programmes are purchased now and in a format suitable only for commercial stations, without BBC "adverts" between them you wouldn't have a normal schedule, it'd all be finishing at random times i.e. 7:43pm, next program finishing at 8:12pm. It'd be a nightmare. In most US stations 25% of the viewing time at peak hours is adverts, not shows.
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As was already pointed out once in this post, that's not the case.
The show is re-edited for overseas broadcast when it's sold.

Two reasons for this:

One is that BBC is a PSB which is funded by the license fee, it also has a Trust setup to monitor it. For the BBC to be making shows with the intention of purely selling them on and editing them as such would go completely against it's remit and most likely also breaches Offcom terms.

Secondly, shows being sold on comes under BBC Worldwide which is the commercial sector of the organization. Here is where they will actually adapt a show for other territories, and let's face it, it's not difficult to fit in an ad break.

Just as an example, we could use Top Gear on Dave. That has ad breaks, but they didn't create the original show around them did they, or edit as such? They've just added ad breaks at natural places to do so.


Finally, I'm struggling to see what BBC ad breaks are being referred to here now. The ones between shows advertising other BBC shows? As those have existed for as long as I can remember.

If you mean specifically during a show, can you give some examples? As I watch BBC channels a lot and have never seen one.
 
vaultingSlinky said:
A fool would realise that as a marketing tool for keeping in touch with your audience, Twitter and Facebook are extremely relevant
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Perhaps this is the problem with the BBC? Listening to what Facebook users want? It would explain a lot about how the BBC has gone downhill as Facebook users are hardly renowned for their collective intellect are they?

How acceptable do you find the publicly funded BBC actively promoting such a site that makes $Millions upon $Millions from selling the Data it collects to Marketing firms, do you not see what a self-perpetuating circle it is becoming? The BBC using it as a marketing tool...That it, itself promotes.

I also disagree about it being extremely relevant, it has relevance of course, but not the 'Be all and end all' that Facebook would love you to believe.
 
doofer said:
I have no TV so don't watch 'Live' TV, I do watch iPlayer and the likes though, so miss the Adverts/Plugs and general promotions between Programmes, I'm really curious though, does the BBC TV like to push a certain cretinous Social Networking site at every opportunity like it does on their Internet sites?
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You mean Twitter? Yeah they mention that a heck of a lot in a lot of programmes
 
asim18 said:
Biggest load of bs in the thread.

There are nowhere near 1000 channels on Sky. And there's only around 300 on VM.

Over 1000 my arse.
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693

So he wasn't miles out.

The majority are total crap though and Sky makes very few of it's own programmes, certainly quality ones anyway.
 
Nexus said:
Just as an example, we could use Top Gear on Dave. That has ad breaks, but they didn't create the original show around them did they, or edit as such? They've just added ad breaks at natural places to do so.
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I think what was being referred was the other way round - for example, Heroes, The Simpsons (back in the day) etc. These are around 42/43mins or 21/22mins respectively. So the BBC would need padding at either side to give sensible start/finish times.

Though the BBC has cut down on American shows recently.
 
I think most of you are so far off the mark its untrue.

The BBC while not in its hay day is still one of the best broadcasters in the ENTIRE English speaking world.
I suspect this is just another bunch of 20 some-things moaning for something to do, or maybe you just had to pay your first License bill ? no idea :O

So what they have a 2 minute self advertising slot every hour or 30 minutes between programmes. That is much much, better than 3 minutes every 13 minutes.
Better still would be to watch it on demand or Catchup if it bothers you that much.

Im sorry but all i read in this thread is a load of whiners looking for something to moan at and always always an easy target is the BBC.

Id kill you all if they took away my radio 4 ¬ :)
 
I agree that the BBC does have some very good programs. I like their science documentaries. Im just annoyed that they have also gone down the "reality" route with those lame talent shows and sleep-inducing news broadcasts. However I have to say that when I lived in America I found BBC America and far better stuff than what they put out here!

I dont think the BBC is the best in the world...they are just another English broadcasting channel. Nothing spectacular.
 
Monkeynut said:
The BBC seems to be becoming more shoddy as time goes on. I don't care what Nancy the Nutritionist has to say on BBC Breakfast, I want proper news. :mad:
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Well the bbc have newsnight which is imo the best news program on tv.

People seem to love complaining about the bbc (probably due to the increasingly negative articles about them in murdoch's papers) but all my favourite programs (hignfy, never mind the buzzcocks, newsnight, university challlenge, top gear...) are on the bbc and I think they're doing a pretty good job.
 
Not a lot of love for the BBC here.

For me I think it's the best. Used to have a V+ box and a gazzilion channels but most repeat the same old programs (and a lot of those are bloody BBC programs...I'm looking at you Dave)

So I now have FreeSat and mostly watch BBC if I am watching "live" TV. The rest of my viewing habits are taken care of via iPlayer, 4oD, YouTube and the TWIT network. Oh and streaming movies and TV shows from my computer to the Apple TV. I'd miss Mythbusters otherwise.

Most of my vitriol is aimed at ITV. Those channels are nothing but crap with added competitions. ITV is trying to be crapper than Five.

Channel 4 et al is alright though.

Oh and BBC's use of hashtags & twitter is a stroke of genius. Getting on board the social media bandwagon let's socially connected users keep up & discuss BBC programs.

Just my 2p
 
AGD said:
People seem to love complaining about the bbc (probably due to the increasingly negative articles about them in murdoch's papers)
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I don't read much press, yet i can happily join the bbc bashing bandwagon so rest assured murdochs media is not the problem.

The BBC's downfall is its ridiculous refusal to not advertise instead surviving on pithy public service handouts.

The subsequent defecit of funds means the USA can produce high quality, high budget shows like House, 24, Heroes, Stargate etc etc wheras all we can muster is poor acting, cheap sets and dodgy CGI.
 
BunnyKillBot said:
The BBC's downfall is its ridiculous refusal to not advertise instead surviving on pithy public service handouts.

The subsequent defecit of funds means the USA can produce high quality, high budget shows like House, 24, Heroes, Stargate etc etc wheras all we can muster is poor acting, cheap sets and dodgy CGI.
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Ah yes, because ITV using an adfunded model and Sky using an ad and subscription model (generating a budget vastly in excess of the BBC's) regularly produce TV of the quality you've mentioned above.

Oh no, they don't, do they? My mistake.
 
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