BBC vs Lineker

Hotwired · 13 Mar 2023 at 11:21

fez said:
I doubt it. There isn't really a justification for his salary at the moment unless I am missing all the work he does outside MotD (which I may well be).

The issue is that they couldn't replace him with someone else and then pay them less. They would either replace him with Jenas or a female lead, both of which would cause an absolute storm if they were paid less than Lineker.

Sitting in the job doesn't mean you're worth as much.

If he's got his fee in a talent based position from negotiating with what he can be offered elsewhere it doesn't then mean that the next bum on the seat is worth the same amount as needed to keep Lineker.

bloodiedathame · 13 Mar 2023 at 11:34

The Jonathon Pie tirade is an excellent watch.

Hagar · 13 Mar 2023 at 11:45

Hotwired said:
Sitting in the job doesn't mean you're worth as much.

If he's got his fee in a talent based position from negotiating with what he can be offered elsewhere it doesn't then mean that the next bum on the seat is worth the same amount as needed to keep Lineker.

It almost makes having the BBC on licence fee worth dropping anyway. There are only a few programs worth watching and several hours of radio a week.

Let the 'stars' on the BBC feel the competition of commercial media output. I know that the BBC says they need to pay these salaries so let's prove it. They monopolise their position with TV, radio and Internet activities, can the BBC compete on a level playing field.

Freakbro · 13 Mar 2023 at 11:53

Hagar said:
Let the 'stars' on the BBC feel the competition of commercial media output.

He would get paid far more than the BBC pay him.

For example, Thierry Henri was paid £4M a year at one point by Sky Sports.

Moley · 13 Mar 2023 at 12:28

Stretch said:
A) The BBC isn't funded by the taxpayer.

B) All politicians are funded by the taxpayer and many are millionaires.

So are you saying that people who pay the TV License don't pay taxes?

Shamikebab · 13 Mar 2023 at 12:41

Moley said:
So are you saying that people who pay the TV License don't pay taxes?

People who pay for Netflix are also taxpayers....my god Netflix is funded by the taxpayer.

Mr Badger · 13 Mar 2023 at 12:49

CaptainRAVE said:
Waiting to see if the viewers drop again.

If that's a serious comment then the BBC would need to run with the presenterless format for a while to establish a base line before going back to the traditional format. As MOTD was all over the news a lot of people probably tuned in this time to see what the fuss was about/how bad it was.

dave28 · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:07

could he not just channel his views from time to time through a member of his close family who can speak for the family on social media

surely the BBC have zero business telling Lineker Jr what he can and cannot say online, his old man probably pays him enough pocket money

Stretch · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:13

Moley said:
So are you saying that people who pay the TV License don't pay taxes?

Most probably pay taxes.

But taxes are no more responsible for paying Gary’s wages than they are mine.

And I don’t work for the BBC fyi. Or the public sector.

Stretch · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:17

I don’t really understand all the hate for the BBC.

It seems to be another case of instigated mob politics.

fez · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:20

Hotwired said:
Sitting in the job doesn't mean you're worth as much.

If he's got his fee in a talent based position from negotiating with what he can be offered elsewhere it doesn't then mean that the next bum on the seat is worth the same amount as needed to keep Lineker.

We know its true but thats not how these things work anymore. The whinging will be horrendous if they replace Lineker with a female or minority presenter who isn't paid the same. It will be racism or sexism. Nothing to do with profile.

robfosters · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:20

Stretch said:
I don’t really understand all the hate for the BBC.

It seems to be another case of instigated mob politics.

I don’t get it either tbh. I don’t think the BBC is a bad service at all. They make a lot of great stuff. Most people don’t even realise how much TV they produce. Most of it is better than the endless paint by numbers guff Netflix churn out.

Hotwired · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:22

fez said:
We know its true but thats not how these things work anymore. The whinging will be horrendous if they replace Lineker with a female or minority presenter who isn't paid the same. It will be racism or sexism. Nothing to do with profile.

BBC is big and old enough to have seen this before, maybe they've got a clear base rate for talent spots and going above has to be justified through negotiations.

Here's this list from 2022: https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/bbc-pay-2022-full-list-newsupdate/

Lineker is by a huge margin being paid more than anyone else and a large gap but only a few steps down are his co hosts. What they're on is probably more like what a replacement would be paid.

robfosters · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:37

Laura Kuenssberg should request a huge pay rise in her position as BBC Tory shill in chief.

Moley · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:42

Stretch said:
Most probably pay taxes.

But taxes are no more responsible for paying Gary’s wages than they are mine.

And I don’t work for the BBC fyi. Or the public sector.

I'm confused. How is the BBC funded? Is it funded by a government mandated financial scheme backed by legislation and the judicial system - a de facto tax - or is it entirely voluntary and I can watch Netflix and all the other channels without funding the BBC and without fear of a fine?

Shamikebab · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:43

Of course you can watch Netflix without funding the BBC :confused:

Thekwango · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:48

Shamikebab said:
Of course you can watch Netflix without funding the BBC

you missed this little bit from the quote after the word Netflix. it's quite important as results in a no rather than yes.

Moley said:
and all the other channels

Shamikebab · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:51

Well you can watch any live streaming service without funding the BBC except those funded by the tv license obviously. I think you can watch any catchup other than iplayer without a license too.

It's a dumb question really, it's like asking if you can watch Netflix without paying the subscription fee.

Thekwango · 13 Mar 2023 at 13:54

Shamikebab said:
It's a dumb question really, it's like asking if you can watch Netflix without paying the subscription fee.

I think it was a rhetorical question rather than an actual ‘can you watch…’ genuine question. Could be wrong of course.

Stretch · 13 Mar 2023 at 14:19

Moley said:
I'm confused. How is the BBC funded? Is it funded by a government mandated financial scheme backed by legislation and the judicial system - a de facto tax - or is it entirely voluntary and I can watch Netflix and all the other channels without funding the BBC and without fear of a fine?

You can opt out of paying the licence fee just as you can for Netflix.

Whatever way you look at it it’s not a tax. Otherwise it would be called the TV tax, and collected like other taxes