Beef Jerky
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Benny06, I suggest you start a nutrition journal and take a look at your calorie intake. Your diet looks very healthy, but I'm wondering if you're getting enough kcals and protein in. I'd say that brunch snack of an apple would serve you better were it a good amount of protein and carbs. When I was lifting, I'd have some whey and oats at 10am.
You aren't eating **** by any means, but I think 4000 calories is a bit of an overestimate, unless your main meals are very calorie heavy, which isn't necessarily at good thing.
Seems like you aren't far from the mark though fella!
Ant
You aren't eating **** by any means, but I think 4000 calories is a bit of an overestimate, unless your main meals are very calorie heavy, which isn't necessarily at good thing.
Seems like you aren't far from the mark though fella!
Ant
Benny06, I suggest you start a nutrition journal and take a look at your calorie intake. Your diet looks very healthy, but I'm wondering if you're getting enough kcals and protein in. I'd say that brunch snack of an apple would serve you better were it a good amount of protein and carbs. When I was lifting, I'd have some whey and oats at 10am.
You aren't eating **** by any means, but I think 4000 calories is a bit of an overestimate, unless your main meals are very calorie heavy, which isn't necessarily at good thing.
Seems like you aren't far from the mark though fella!
Ant
Thanks
My body is still growing, so I haven't hit a wall just yet which is good! However once I get some suppliments in me, say for example having a shake either with my brunch apple, or with my pre gym tuna, or post workout I should be nearing the levels of everything I need and get more gains.
I'll start a journal for a week starting on monday and tab everything I eat and post it up here for analysis.
I've been having a look at bulksuppliments direct for protein as other members recommend it. But I don't know what the difference is between these:
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey_Protein_Concentrate_Un.html
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey-Protein-Isolate-Unflavoured.html
One's a concetrate and the others an Isolate. The concentrate has slightly less protein. But the isolate is almost over half as much again for not a lot of extra protein. Worth the extra? Also noticed they dont sell shakers or scoops!
Edit: Obviously amino acids are key to muscle recovery and these both boost high levels. Would mixing extra amino acids in benefit me? or is having too much useless or will it have no effect?
Don't have a clue which one I would need or whats what!
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-catshow/Amino_Acids.html
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isolate is more aimed towards Lactose tolerant people and those who are happy to spend a little more to have a higher protein content.
i recently started having isolate (inadvertently after cocking up my order (me not them)) nad have found that I am lactose intolerant!
adding some EAA's would be good, BCAA's shouldnt be needed too much as you should have a pretty good diet which would provide you with most of what you need
i recently started having isolate (inadvertently after cocking up my order (me not them)) nad have found that I am lactose intolerant!
adding some EAA's would be good, BCAA's shouldnt be needed too much as you should have a pretty good diet which would provide you with most of what you need
I remember reading that the best time to ingest BCAAs is during your workout. Don't hold me to this till I can get home and do some research
I wouldn't recommend isolate on a budget. The idea is is, as morba said, to get a little more protein and help those who are lactose intolerant. I also believe that if you check the nutri-info that it'll have less carbs and fat.
Scoops and Shakers can be found anywhere, but I recommend not scrimping on the shaker. A good quality one means a better seal, so less chance of spillage. Trust me; protein will smell awful if not properly cleaned up
If you can, get one of those hand blenders to use in your shaker rather than just shaking. I find this really handy for mixing thicker ingredients, and making oats easier to gag down.
Look forward to seeing your journal post Good luck.
Ant
I wouldn't recommend isolate on a budget. The idea is is, as morba said, to get a little more protein and help those who are lactose intolerant. I also believe that if you check the nutri-info that it'll have less carbs and fat.
Scoops and Shakers can be found anywhere, but I recommend not scrimping on the shaker. A good quality one means a better seal, so less chance of spillage. Trust me; protein will smell awful if not properly cleaned up
If you can, get one of those hand blenders to use in your shaker rather than just shaking. I find this really handy for mixing thicker ingredients, and making oats easier to gag down.
Look forward to seeing your journal post
Good luck.Ant
So i'd be best off going with concentrate, which is actually cheaper, but has slightly higher levels fat and carbs.
When you get a moment could you link me to a recommended shaker? one you have personal experience with. I don't intend to put oats in mine, but i'll give it ago! wont knock it till ive tried it!
I'm quite excited about all this in a way
I know results take time and progress is a slow process, is a month a reasonable time period to start seeing pysical changes? as well as gains strength wise?http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey_Protein_Concentrate_Un.html
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/essential_amino_acids.html
Those to get me going? 10 grams EAA and 30 Whey plus water and a good shake and then down the hatch!?
I tend to eat my pre gym protein at about 3 and wont begin to train till about 5 or 6. If I took my shake at 3 and didnt train till 6 is this too long a time period? Would an hour before and then immediatly after be better? and 2 a day should be plenty I assume?
Protein won't change anything, so much as help you reach your growth potential through adequate nutrition.
If you aren't getting enough protein, and this is limiting your growth, then yes you will see gains, over a few months. If you're eating effectively, the gains will be minimal to non-existant.
I recommend blending the protein with oats between breakfast and lunch (if its inconvenient to eat a proper meal) and use it as a PWO shake (with EAAs and again with oats). Some might say you should have it pre-workout too. 3 hours is OK to go without nutrition as long as you've fuelled effectively before hand, this means a solid base of complex carbs.
I should think FF and Morba will be better informed on sups than me though.
You don't need protein to train, you need carbs The reason you're supplimenting with protein is to ensure that you're getting some with every meal. This is the principle of lifters nutrition, 6 - 8 meals, each balanced, each with protein and carbs.
I believe that you need to address your diet before buying suppliments. I also think you could do with building on your base of knowledge so you're sure you know exactly what you're putting in your body and why. You're already putting in the hard graft and working towards eating as effectively as possible. This is far more important than buying instantised whey.
Remember the big three; Eat, Lift, Sleep. (*cough*Morba*cough*) no one got big from taking protein shakes
Ant
If you aren't getting enough protein, and this is limiting your growth, then yes you will see gains, over a few months. If you're eating effectively, the gains will be minimal to non-existant.
I recommend blending the protein with oats between breakfast and lunch (if its inconvenient to eat a proper meal) and use it as a PWO shake (with EAAs and again with oats). Some might say you should have it pre-workout too. 3 hours is OK to go without nutrition as long as you've fuelled effectively before hand, this means a solid base of complex carbs.
I should think FF and Morba will be better informed on sups than me though.
You don't need protein to train, you need carbs
The reason you're supplimenting with protein is to ensure that you're getting some with every meal. This is the principle of lifters nutrition, 6 - 8 meals, each balanced, each with protein and carbs.I believe that you need to address your diet before buying suppliments. I also think you could do with building on your base of knowledge so you're sure you know exactly what you're putting in your body and why. You're already putting in the hard graft and working towards eating as effectively as possible. This is far more important than buying instantised whey.
Remember the big three; Eat, Lift, Sleep. (*cough*Morba*cough*) no one got big from taking protein shakes
Ant
If you do let us know how it goes!
I love the jerky but I refuse to pay the unfeasibly large price tag. I'd be willing to give it a go, but without prior knowledge, the liklihood of setting myself on fire is high
Ant
http://www.myprotein.co.uk/products/accessories/mp-blender-bottle/ best shaker Ive ever used doesnt leak, mixes well and is cheap
Use "MP32093" to get 5% off if its your first order
If you do let us know how it goes!
I love the jerky but I refuse to pay the unfeasibly large price tag. I'd be willing to give it a go, but without prior knowledge, the liklihood of setting myself on fire is high
Ant
It's a target purchase once my daughter stops trying to melt my plastic...
Smoked and dried meat = awesome.
You want to take it easy on the tuna intake as it is relatively high in toxins, whilst some people's livers/kidneys deal with it fairly easily, it can cause cists and other liver/kidney disfunctions - it's the mercury content you have to be wary of. It's not a categoric result, but it's a possibility.
Jebus! You can eat anything with out getting sick these days
What about sardines? I have either a tin of tuna or them in my roll for lunch every day?
You want to take it easy on the tuna intake as it is relatively high in toxins, whilst some people's livers/kidneys deal with it fairly easily, it can cause cists and other liver/kidney disfunctions - it's the mercury content you have to be wary of. It's not a categoric result, but it's a possibility.
Jebus! You can eat anything with out getting sick these days
What about sardines? I have either a tin of tuna or them in my roll for lunch every day?
The going rate is pretty much anything that comes out of the sea = trace elements of nastiness.
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/sea-mehg.html
http://www.circleofresponsibility.com/page/302/mercury-in-seafood.htm (as above, really)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/dining/23sushi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
And all sorts of other stuff. Put "seafood mercury" into Google and try and contain your horror!
TBH, organic chicken -as WantoN has posted - is probably best as a 'substitute' with only a nice steak tasting better.
I personally like mackarel fillets. It's not full of bones like most tinned sardines, tastes much better and is rich in omegas. Bit pongy mind
They're awesome on toast for brekky
I'm not particularly high protein these days, recovering from injury, but I've always gleaned most of my protein intake from chicken. Dairy and fish play a smaller part, but I tend to eat fish for enjoyment/diversity/health.
Ant
They're awesome on toast for brekky
I'm not particularly high protein these days, recovering from injury, but I've always gleaned most of my protein intake from chicken. Dairy and fish play a smaller part, but I tend to eat fish for enjoyment/diversity/health.
Ant
So i'd be best off going with concentrate, which is actually cheaper, but has slightly higher levels fat and carbs.
When you get a moment could you link me to a recommended shaker? one you have personal experience with. I don't intend to put oats in mine, but i'll give it ago! wont knock it till ive tried it!
I'm quite excited about all this in a way
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/Whey_Protein_Concentrate_Un.html
http://www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk/khxc/gbu0-prodshow/essential_amino_acids.html
Those to get me going? 10 grams EAA and 30 Whey plus water and a good shake and then down the hatch!?
I tend to eat my pre gym protein at about 3 and wont begin to train till about 5 or 6. If I took my shake at 3 and didnt train till 6 is this too long a time period? Would an hour before and then immediatly after be better? and 2 a day should be plenty I assume?
A couple of things: try and have a shake about 45 mins before working out :]
EAA's STINK!! And I really mean STINK, you will want to have them in something that will mask the STINK hehe
If you are ordering from BSD, use code BSD213 (if no other has already been suggested) :]
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I personally like mackarel fillets. It's not full of bones like most tinned sardines, tastes much better and is rich in omegas. Bit pongy mind
They're awesome on toast for brekky
Mackarel omlettes are the start to my weekends. Yummy.
A couple of things: try and have a shake about 45 mins before working out :]
EAA's STINK!! And I really mean STINK, you will want to have them in something that will mask the STINK hehe
If you are ordering from BSD, use code BSD213 (if no other has already been suggested) :]
Thanks
My training partner has suggested some Amino Acid tablets that he uses. Not quite sure what they are but are taken twice a day. And 100 days worth costs around £30. So seems to be cheaper. If i use these as opposed to EAA's I dont need to worry about killing people with my breath!
Thanks will use that code when I order
I've started a diet journal. So thursday next week I will post it up for some calorie analysis.
I expect the times i'll be taking shakes in the morning with breakfast. Roughly 45mins to an hour before training, and then immedtiatly post workout.
Any other input/comments or thoughts are most welcome.
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You want to take it easy on the tuna intake as it is relatively high in toxins, whilst some people's livers/kidneys deal with it fairly easily, it can cause cists and other liver/kidney disfunctions - it's the mercury content you have to be wary of. It's not a categoric result, but it's a possibility.
The going rate is pretty much anything that comes out of the sea = trace elements of nastiness.
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/sea-mehg.html
http://www.circleofresponsibility.com/page/302/mercury-in-seafood.htm (as above, really)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/dining/23sushi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
And all sorts of other stuff. Put "seafood mercury" into Google and try and contain your horror!
TBH, organic chicken -as WantoN has posted - is probably best as a 'substitute' with only a nice steak tasting better.
If you go for the prey they tend to contain less mercury. PRedators have more as they eat all the smaller fish. SO things like sardines and smaller fish are fantastic, mackerel is awesome for example.